Clement aiming to pitch this season

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Rehabbing Clement aiming to pitch in 2007

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[Patriots4ever]

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[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

I'm going to hope this means he's going into sales. :/

[#1Patsfan_chica]

Is it bad of me to think that it's ok if he takes the year off?

[oldskool138]

This is Clement's last year on his bloated three year deal. He will not pitch this season or any other season for the Sox. If he does, it will probably either in Pawtucket or in September if the BoSox are out of playoff contention.

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

At least we're getting out of this deal. There's a lot of teams that have just gotten IN to these awful contracts this year (See City, Kansas)

[Fully Tilted]

This is Clement's last year on his bloated three year deal. He will not pitch this season or any other season for the Sox. If he does, it will probably either in Pawtucket or in September if the BoSox are out of playoff contention.

Not necessarily, if the can showcase him before the trading deadline and move him for a pitching machine, Big league Chew and a rosin bag they will. If only to get out from underneath the contract for the year and get something in return because he will not be signing a new deal with Boston. That we can count on.

I hope he can log 20-30 innings of relief duty before the deadline and we can ship him out. On the brightside, we could have signed Pavano that offseason. At least Clement gave us half of a season.

[oldskool138]

Not necessarily, if the can showcase him before the trading deadline and move him for a pitching machine, Big league Chew and a rosin bag they will. If only to get out from underneath the contract for the year and get something in return because he will not be signing a new deal with Boston. That we can count on.

I hope he can log 20-30 innings of relief duty before the deadline and we can ship him out. On the brightside, we could have signed Pavano that offseason. At least Clement gave us half of a season.

He also blew it big time against the White Sox and set the tone for that series. I know you could make the case that Graffanino blew it but Clement set the tone. It's too bad we didn't clinch a playoff berth earlier so we could have set up the pitching rotation. He had no business pitching Game One of a best-of-five series.

The Sox would probably get a rusty pitching machine, stale Big league Chew and a soaked rosin bag for Clement.

[Fully Tilted]

He also blew it big time against the White Sox and set the tone for that series. I know you could make the case that Graffanino blew it but Clement set the tone. It's too bad we didn't clinch a playoff berth earlier so we could have set up the pitching rotation. He had no business pitching Game One of a best-of-five series.

The Sox would probably get a rusty pitching machine, stale Big league Chew and a soaked rosin bag for Clement.


Just because he pitched terribly in the 2005 ALDS doesn't mean the Sox won't try to get something out of him. And while I agree that he had no business pitching game one, who's decision was that? He was slated and asked and accepted the job. He failed miserabley but I'd like him far less (not sure it's really possible) if he rejected the offer to open the series.

Believe me, I don't want him pitching for the Sox when the game is on the line but if he can show he can still be effective in garbage time innings then someone may put an offer out there for him. We have to recoup as much loss as we can with that contract. If that means taking a low-level prospect or two in return for an overpaid, rebounding and at one-time succesful MLB pitcher, so be it.

[Izzo=great]

Hes going to wait a few months to start playing like he did last year and hes going to pitch for the Pirates to win a world championship!!!!! :icon_hang :icon_hang :icon_hang :icon_pray

lol

[Patriots4ever]

Clement was terrible the entire 2005 season. He had the highest run support of any pitcher in the majors. He made the All Star game because of his BS W-L record.

The guy is a bum. The quicker they get rid of him, the better. The guy sucked in Chicago, and he's sucked here. There is nothing positive about him except that he showed a couple of flashes that he can pitch well. Pitching is all about consistency which is something he has never demonstrated throughout his career. As I have said in other posts in the past, I hated this signing. I don't see him turning it around any time soon. I am glad that this is his last year here.

I will buy him his bus ticket out of here, that is how much I value him as a pitcher. The guy is a loser. He may work hard, but the guy doesn't get the job done. It's all about results in this business, and he isn't a producer, he's an albatross. It's amazing that he got $9 mil/year for 3 years. We should all be that lucky.

Good riddance!

[oldskool138]

Hey, Pats4Ever, can we go halves on the ticket? :)

[Patriots4ever]

Hey, Pats4Ever, can we go halves on the ticket? :)

Sure, why not. It has to be 1st class though. Nothin' but the best, ya know?

[Fully Tilted]

I hope my wanting to see 20 effective innings out of him and claiming that we were lucky we didn't end up with Carl Pavano that year is not being confused with pure distaste for Matt Clement.

I'll split that ticket 3-ways and arrange for a driver to meet him at his destination airport. I just want something, anything in return for him.

As far as the original contract, it turns out that given his performance from 2002-2004 he was pretty cheap based on today's market. Of course, the contract wasn't signed or offered in today's market.

His numbers from 2002-2004 reflected that he was a pretty solid SP that induced groundballs (1.75 G/F Ratio -3 year average) and still averaged nearly a K an inning (8.84 K/9 In - 3 year average) over the course of nearly 200 In ( 195.666 IP - 3 year average).

I think Theo & Co. were careless in their evaluation of his psychological makeup as it seems he gets frustrated when his performance doesn't get results and seemingly self-implodes. I'm not sure which came first, the "Matt Clement Face" or the "Derek Lowe Face" and I take Derek Lowe everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's over Matt Clement even though Matt Clement's pitches are a little bit nastier.

[Patriots4ever]

I'll split that ticket 3-ways and arrange for a driver to meet him at his destination airport. I just want something, anything in return for him.

His numbers from 2002-2004 reflected that he was a pretty solid SP that induced groundballs (1.75 G/F Ratio -3 year average) and still averaged nearly a K an inning (8.84 K/9 In - 3 year average) over the course of nearly 200 In ( 195.666 IP - 3 year average).

I think Theo & Co. were careless in their evaluation of his psychological makeup as it seems he gets frustrated when his performance doesn't get results and seemingly self-implodes. I'm not sure which came first, the "Matt Clement Face" or the "Derek Lowe Face" and I take Derek Lowe everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's over Matt Clement even though Matt Clement's pitches are a little bit nastier.

Ok, we got enough money for his bus ticket now. We may be able to upgrade to a limo at this point.

While you mention Clement's positives, the fact is that his WHIP and ERA are/were way too high. The guy is inconsistent, plain and simple. When your pitch count is in the 100s in the 4th inning, there is a problem. Sure, it would be nice to get something in return for him, but I don't think there's a team dumb enough to trade for him, and I don't think it would be in the Sox best interests to "showcase" him because he is such a MAJOR liability on the mound.

While Clement's pitches may be nastier than D-Lowe's stuff was, at least D-Lowe was consistent for a period of time, and he did come up big in the 2004 playoffs. At least Lowe could get his "stuff" over the plate and he didn't walk batters. Just sayin'

BTW, I love talking baseball with you Fully.

[Fully Tilted]

Ok, we got enough money for his bus ticket now. We may be able to upgrade to a limo at this point.

Shoot. I'll spring for the 'bubbly' for his ride in the stretch!

While you mention Clement's positives, the fact is that his WHIP and ERA are/were way too high.

I don't have the numbers right now (too lazy, I've looked up enough already) but I'm pretty sure you're spot on. Though E.R.A is a very broad generalization of a statistic in general. Too much is dependent on your defense behind you. WHIP is a great stat for measuring a pitcher's effectiveness however and I think it was a little bit high. I think the RS saw the potential of his K-rate and G/F ratio and felt he was about to establish himself as a solid #2.

but I don't think there's a team dumb enough to trade for him, and I don't think it would be in the Sox best interests to "showcase" him because he is such a MAJOR liability on the mound.

Well, I think that if he is showcased and pitches with consistency and is effective, some team will bite because pitching is the hottest commodity in all of baseball. It's always a need and teams are looking to improve up until the trading deadline. I can see why you think it wouldn't be in their best interest to give him a shot but I figure if he throws well in ST and starts off in AAA with success, he'll be showcased. I don't see the harm in having him work some innings in garbage time. I can see why you'd want us to just eat the final $9 million however.

While Clement's pitches may be nastier than D-Lowe's stuff was, at least D-Lowe was consistent for a period of time, and he did come up big in the 2004 playoffs. At least Lowe could get his "stuff" over the plate and he didn't walk batters. Just sayin'

No question. D-Lowe frustrated me but he was one of the best pitcher's the Red Sox have had over the last 10 years. He was effective as a closer and as a starter.

BTW, I love talking baseball with you Fully.

Same here man, same here. I think you'll notice my posting here is a lot more stat-oriented and (I hope) more knowledgable than at PP. Baseball is more my forte than football is. Which means I know little about baseball and even LESS about pigskin. :D

[#1Patsfan_chica]

I didn't like the signing of Matt Clement from the beginning. I know Derek Lowe isn't amazing but I would rather have him than Clement.

Who knows, if healthy, maybe Clement can be an ok 5th pitcher.

[oldskool138]

I didn't like the signing of Matt Clement from the beginning. I know Derek Lowe isn't amazing but I would rather have him than Clement.

Who knows, if healthy, maybe Clement can be an ok 5th pitcher.

Dollars offered by the Sox to Clement in '05- $9 million per
Dollars offered by the Sox to Lowe in '05- $0

They didn't want Lowe back because of his off-field antics. I think they should have signed him.

[#1Patsfan_chica]

Dollars offered by the Sox to Clement in '05- $9 million per
Dollars offered by the Sox to Lowe in '05- $0

They didn't want Lowe back because of his off-field antics. I think they should have signed him.

Sometimes I don't get the Red Sox. They didn't sign Lowe because of his off the field problems but Julio Lugo has had problems in the past.

Also, to this day I'm still confused over Orlando Cabrera.

[oldskool138]

Sometimes I don't get the Red Sox. They didn't sign Lowe because of his off the field problems but Julio Lugo has had problems in the past.

Also, to this day I'm still confused over Orlando Cabrera.

Theo was always going to sign Rent-A-Center regardless of how the O.C. did. He falls head-over-heels in love with certain players. J.D. Drew is this years whirwind love affair. I predict that after 2 years the Sox will be paying another team to take J.D. off their hands. There's no way he makes it through the whole 5 years of his contract.

[JD10367]

Also, to this day I'm still confused over Orlando Cabrera.

Cabrera, Alex Gonsalez, and a few others. It seems like the Sox are intent on sacrificing defense at SS in favor of more power there.

[oldskool138]

Cabrera, Alex Gonsalez, and a few others. It seems like the Sox are intent on sacrificing defense at SS in favor of more power there.

Well they didn't think they were going to lose D with Rentaria (the owner of Three Gold Gloves) but they did. There's going to be a signifigant drop-off this year with Lugo but he can run and hit...

Loretta and Gonzo made a fantastic double-play combination. Lugo has range but is not that great with the glove. Pedroia's going to be on a learning curve. (Also, last year he has trouble with his footwork around second).

[Mikiemo83]

watch Clement be the closer in September



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only kidding

[Patriots4ever]

Without quoting everyone:

I really wish they signed Loretta for 1 more year. I still think Pedroia needs at least one more year in the minors.

I agree that JD Drew doesn't see all 5 years of this contract. I am still perplexed as to why they just didn't resign Cabrera. He proved that he could play in this market and thrive. They didn't "do their homework" on Renteria as he was not suited to play in this market. That should always be at the top of the list in signing a "big name player" to play here. They could have had Cabrera for the same amount of years and at less money. Now, the Sox are still paying some of his (Renteria) salary while he plays elsewhere, and that really bothers me.

Lugo is intriguing to me. I think the Sox really like this guy and they have had their eyes on him for quite some time, from what I've read anyways. Just thank God that Millar isn't playing 1st here anymore.

I will stay consistent here: NO CLEMENT IN '07 - period.

[JD10367]

The whole Renteria saga--along with Clement, and some might say letting Lowe walk--is a reminder that, despite their apparent brilliance, a lot of times these front offices (Red Sox, Pats, whatever) are pretty much throwing shit against the wall, LOL. Some of it sticks, some of it don't, and some of it falls off the wall and hits them in the head. :D

[Fully Tilted]

Rumor has it, he did not mesh in the clubhouse well. From what I hear he treated the clubhouse staff poorly and was not liked by the organization because of it.

[Patriots4ever]

Rumor has it, he did not mesh in the clubhouse well. From what I hear he treated the clubhouse staff poorly and was not liked by the organization because of it.

I can see the clubhouse staff angle, but he, Ortiz, Manny, etc seemed to get along really well. He was the anti-Nomar, and a welcomed new face that brought flair and energy. I went to a game in TB (as mentioned in another thread) when he had just become a member of the Red Sox. Before the game, he was joking around with Manny and Ortiz in the outfield. Kevin Millar seemed to be another big buddy of his. Just sayin that he fit in seamlessly with that particular team. He hit a HR in his 1st at bat, then slumped for a week, then turned it on for the stretch run. The guy was solid in the infield, you never had to worry about him. Guys like that don't come around often. He was probably one of my favorite players on the 2004 WS team behind Damon.

Oh well, we can't cry over spilled milk because it's in the past, yet it's still an interesting debate, and I will never forget Cabrera. :D

[JD10367]

Cabrera played well.

They dumped him and spent big bucks on Renteria.

He sucked.

They dumped him and picked up Alex Gonzalez.

He played well.

They dumped him and picked up Lugo, who looks like trouble.

:confused:

[#1Patsfan_chica]

Sometimes I really dislike the front office, especially Theo. I know Renteria didn't have a good year but you don't get rid of him after one year. They should have given him another year, another chance.

[oldskool138]

Sometimes I really dislike the front office, especially Theo. I know Renteria didn't have a good year but you don't get rid of him after one year. They should have given him another year, another chance.

Wow, I didn't know Jon Meterparel posted on these boards :D

I was such a big O.C. fan that I hated the Rent-A-Center signing. I hated the fact that he took $1 million more from the Sox (unknown town, unknown League) to leave the comfortable confines of St. Louis. Watching him play was like trying to watch a square peg go into a round hole.

I hope Lugo works out. I'm tired of the revolving door at SS.

[#1Patsfan_chica]

Wow, I didn't know Jon Meterparel posted on these boards :D

I was such a big O.C. fan that I hated the Rent-A-Center signing. I hated the fact that he took $1 million more from the Sox (unknown town, unknown League) to leave the comfortable confines of St. Louis. Watching him play was like trying to watch a square peg go into a round hole.

I hope Lugo works out. I'm tired of the revolving door at SS.

I hate Meter. SS position could have been resolved if they would have signed Cabrera or Gonzalez but no, for some reason Theo is in love with Lugo. So he better work out or I'm going to be pissed.

[Fully Tilted]

I can see the clubhouse staff angle, but he, Ortiz, Manny, etc seemed to get along really well. He was the anti-Nomar, and a welcomed new face that brought flair and energy. I went to a game in TB (as mentioned in another thread) when he had just become a member of the Red Sox. Before the game, he was joking around with Manny and Ortiz in the outfield. Kevin Millar seemed to be another big buddy of his. Just sayin that he fit in seamlessly with that particular team. He hit a HR in his 1st at bat, then slumped for a week, then turned it on for the stretch run. The guy was solid in the infield, you never had to worry about him. Guys like that don't come around often. He was probably one of my favorite players on the 2004 WS team behind Damon.

Oh well, we can't cry over spilled milk because it's in the past, yet it's still an interesting debate, and I will never forget Cabrera. :D

I couldn't agree with you more. He was an integral part of the WS run. He had a phenomenal series vs. NYY in the ALCS that year as well.

29 AB .379 AVG/.424 OBP/.448 SLG 11 H 2 2B 5 RBI 5 R

Not a lot of power provided but the NYY could not get him out. Add that to his spectacular defense and he was so important in that series.

I liked him a lot too. I still remember his first game back to Fenway with LAA and he stepped out of the box and took off his helemt and was later quoted as saying his eyes welled up.

I wish things had worked out, especially considering his contract.

[oldskool138]

I couldn't agree with you more. He was an integral part of the WS run. He had a phenomenal series vs. NYY in the ALCS that year as well.

29 AB .379 AVG/.424 OBP/.448 SLG 11 H 2 2B 5 RBI 5 R

Not a lot of power provided but the NYY could not get him out. Add that to his spectacular defense and he was so important in that series.

I liked him a lot too. I still remember his first game back to Fenway with LAA and he stepped out of the box and took off his helemt and was later quoted as saying his eyes welled up.

I wish things had worked out, especially considering his contract.

Actually it's the LAAofA. Why don't they just call 'em the California Angels and be done with it?

[Fully Tilted]

Actually it's the LAAofA. Why don't they just call 'em the California Angels and be done with it?

Amen

[JD10367]

Yeah, what's up with that Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? BS. That's like calling them the Boston Patriots of Foxboro. (And I heard they were thinking about a similar thing if the Niners move to San Jose, i.e., still calling them the San Francisco 49ers).

[Izzo=great]

Yeah, what's up with that Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? BS. That's like calling them the Boston Patriots of Foxboro.

ROFL

[luso2kx]

Ugh! Peaches wants to pitch for the Sox this year? Just say no Francoma! JUST SAY NO!

[luso2kx]

Yeah, what's up with that Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? BS. That's like calling them the Boston Patriots of Foxboro. Or the New England Red Stockings of Boston

:D