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PedroiaSalsa15

06-12-2009, 04:23 AM

sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 04:27 AM

I'm still not a big Penny fan (I think he got some breaks tonight), but we'll see what we can get. I don't see them getting more than a B prospect, but Joe Blanton did fetch the A's a nice deal last year, and he blows.

nomars_girl

06-12-2009, 04:28 AM

I think if they can make a deal, they will. He could crap the bed his next time out and have his value plummet. But they aren't going to trade him just to get rid of him. Needs to make sense.

8LayersOfCrap

06-12-2009, 04:28 AM

Smoltz's rehab game got rained out tonight...so may he not be joining the team quite as soon as expected? Does this buy Penny at least one more start with the Red Sox? Or do the Sox just play off the good game he had and hope his trade value is up?

Other than his last start against Texas, he has at least put up decent numbers since the beginning of May...

If Smoltz really is as far along as they are claiming I would have to assume they will continue accepting calls on Penny. If Penny moves out before Smoltz moves in they can always slot in Masterson or call up a prospect for a one game stint. Can they still call up Buchholz for one game? I'm not sure how options work.

PedroiaSalsa15

06-12-2009, 04:31 AM

If Smoltz really is as far along as they are claiming I would have to assume they will continue accepting calls on Penny. If Penny moves out before Smoltz moves in they can always slot in Masterson or call up a prospect for a one game stint. Can they still call up Buchholz for one game? I'm not sure how options work.

If you send him back down, they use an option, but that option is good for the whole year, so they can keep calling him up and sending him down with that one option.

However, I'm pretty sure the Red Sox did not use an option to place him on the minor league roster this year, since he was already down there to end last season...so if they call him up, they'd have to use an option to send him back down. I would imagine that if the Red Sox are going to call him up, it's going to be for good.

patsox

06-12-2009, 04:33 AM

I can see them hanging on to him. Dice-K seems to be the high risk pitcher in the rotation. If they move Penny, then Dice-

NYRhockey23

06-12-2009, 04:33 AM

Penny will have to go as soon as Smoltz is available to come back, whether he's pitching well or not.

The fact he's pitching well now only means the return may be a bit better, but they still arent going to sit Smoltz around in favor of Penny.

Unless an injury occurs, i dont see how Penny is on this team when July 1 rolls around.

sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 04:33 AM

Yes Clay still has options, so he can be called up and sent down, but I don't think they want to jerk him around. I think when he's up, he'll be up.

J.DL

06-12-2009, 04:34 AM

If you send him back down, they use an option, but that option is good for the whole year, so they can keep calling him up and sending him down with that one option.

However, I'm pretty sure the Red Sox did not use an option to place him on the minor league roster this year, since he was already down there to end last season...so if they call him up, they'd have to use an option to send him back down. I would imagine that if the Red Sox are going to call him up, it's going to be for good.

No, they had to use an option to send him down this year too.

PedroiaSalsa15

06-12-2009, 04:35 AM

No, they had to use an option to send him down this year too.

So calling him up and sending him down this year would not use additional options...

But again, of course, I don't think they'll call him up for one game. He'll be up here for good once he's up here.

reddick

06-12-2009, 04:37 AM

i think you get daisuke to waive his NTC and give penny his spot in the rotation. give him to seattle for absolutetly nothing and admit a mistake was made when the red sox overpaid for him.

J.DL

06-12-2009, 04:38 AM

I'm guessing they'll trade Penny, Smoltz will take his place and Clay will be brought up and down a few times to start for Beckett/Lester/Wakefield.

sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 04:39 AM

Yes I believe that when you send guys on the 40 man roster down after ST, you use an option. Bard wasn't on the 40 man, so until we send him down, we haven't used an option on him.
If there was to be a book written on options, I think Youk and Merloni would co-author it. Though it seemed like Merloni had about 20 options.

patsox

06-12-2009, 04:43 AM

With Dice-K struggling I hope the Sox reconsider moving an improving Penny. We may find ourselves looking for a starter later if Smoltz and Buchholz fail. Which is a real possibility. I would move Buchholz before I`d move Penny at this point. If Buchholz comes up and fails again. His trade value will be somewhere around zero.

JBay44

06-12-2009, 04:44 AM

i think you get daisuke to waive his NTC and give penny his spot in the rotation. give him to seattle for absolutetly nothing and admit a mistake was made when the red sox overpaid for him.

I agree with you, but Penny's the odd man out here. Dice-K isn't going anywhere, unless it's back to the DL.

sprocketboy

06-12-2009, 04:44 AM

I think if they can make a deal, they will. He could crap the bed his next time out and have his value plummet. But they aren't going to trade him just to get rid of him. Needs to make sense.

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sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 04:50 AM

Daisuke will be (or should be) given two more starts to show if he has anything. If he continues to give us nothing, then I think you just shut him down and/or send him him down indefinitely. He's not quite Wang at this point, but he's close.

reddick

06-12-2009, 04:54 AM

J.DL

06-12-2009, 04:56 AM

they can't really send him down to the minors, though.
They would have to DL him and give him a rehab stint.

sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 04:58 AM

They would have to DL him and give him a rehab stint.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at, unless he grants them permission to send him down, which would be smart thing for him to do.

patsox

06-12-2009, 05:01 AM

The 5 innings he gives the Sox doesn`t balance out for the constant 4 innings of use of the bullpen he creates with every start.

nomars_girl

06-12-2009, 05:02 AM

Yeah, that's what I was getting at, unless he grants them permission to send him down, which would be smart thing for him to do.

Seems to me he was signed as a rookie. Doesn't he still have all of his options? I am not entirely certain of the rules here, but it is possible the Sox can send him down.

nomars_girl

06-12-2009, 05:06 AM

Options

If a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the active major league roster, he is said to be on optional assignment—his organization may freely move him between the major league club and the minor league club. If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons (in which he spent 20 or more total days of service in the minors), he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers. However, if a player has less than 5 years of professional experience, he may be optioned to the minors in a fourth season without being subject to waivers. If a major league player is ineligible for free agency and "has options" remaining, his team may option him to a minor league team without consequence. This is usually what is meant when players are "sent down" to the minors. Likewise, when a player on the 40-man roster is added to the active major league roster, he is "called up" to the majors.

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Sounds to me like we can send him down.

sheahilly4prez

06-12-2009, 05:07 AM

Seems to me he was signed as a rookie. Doesn't he still have all of his options? I am not entirely certain of the rules here, but it is possible the Sox can send him down.

Yes, but he has a specific clause in his contract that states that the Sox can't send him down to the minors, presumably without his consent.

J.DL

06-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Yes, but he has a specific clause in his contract that states that the Sox can't send him down to the minors, presumably without his consent.
Correct. Scroll down to Matsuzaka.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/boston-red-sox.html

reddick

06-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Yes, but he has a specific clause in his contract that states that the Sox can't send him down to the minors, presumably without his consent.

i'd think daisuke would be "too proud" to be sent down to the minors with his consent.

nomars_girl

06-12-2009, 05:09 AM

Yes, but he has a specific clause in his contract that states that the Sox can't send him down to the minors, presumably without his consent.

Ah. Stupid Scott Boras.

JBay44

06-12-2009, 05:19 AM

Ah. Stupid Scott Boras.

3 words: Extended Spring Training

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boggscrushingbeers

06-12-2009, 05:20 AM

Trading Penny, while inevitable at this point, will be somewhat bittersweet. I'm not his biggest fan, but he has been more than serviceable, and with Ortiz appearing to come around (knock on wood) and a Lowrie/Green combo at ss not looking too bad right now, it doesn't look like we will really get anything in return that will help us this year. A B type prospect doesn't exactly seem to be worth it (unless it's a lefty arm we can put in the pen in the future).
That being said, this certainly isn't the worst problem in the world.

OBP

06-12-2009, 06:19 AM

Hopefully, this game improved his trade value. I really can't see him sticking around much longer, since Smoltz is simply a better pitcher.

SamBam39

06-12-2009, 10:41 AM

I'd feel better about trading Penny if I didn't think that Dice was a total disaster this year.

trotdaubach

06-12-2009, 03:56 PM

I would move Buchholz before I`d move Penny at this point.
hold on ...... ummmm.... what???

holly

06-12-2009, 04:02 PM

I'd feel better about trading Penny if I didn't think that Dice was a total disaster this year.
Dice K will come around i believe for the 2nd half of the year

SamBam39

06-12-2009, 04:45 PM

Probably. But I wonder if he will have another stint on the DL or if they can pull off a Penny trade. Still need 3 more days before Penny is trade eligible unless he ok's it. So it may just be a matter of time.

SamBam39

06-12-2009, 05:00 PM

In the papers today Penny is saying he doesn't want to go to the bullpen. And a lot of speculation that he may not be traded.

If Penny isn't moved, he could conceivably be used in the bullpen -- but that's not something that interests him.

Penny says he's never worked out of the bullpen, and the 10-year veteran doesn't want to start now.

"Yeah. I don't want to do that," he said.

http://soxblog.projo.com/2009/06/with-smoltz-com.html