New York @ Boston: Sabathia vs. Penny June 11, 2009

[3 Point Stan]

7:05 EST, Fenway Park

So Brad Penny walks into a bar. Looks down the end of the bar and who's sitting there but CC Sabathia. So Penny walks over and greets him - only to discover CC Sabathia is actually a huge asshole.

So Penny, as polite as can be points to a table in the corner. Specifically to a rather attractive brunette who is sitting there. Penny says, "Dude, you know who that is? That's Alyssa Milano.... I hit that after many a game."

Sabathia responds with a, "Yeah, so?"

To which Penny responds, "I just wanted to point out that while I was hittin' that, the only thing you hit after most of your outings is the drive-thru at Wendy's."

GO SAWX!

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/12/29/penny__1230580546_1635.jpg

[southcarolina]

I have to work tonight so i wont be here. I suppose this will end up being one of those "SamBam talks to himself for 4 hours" gamethreads. Sorry i cant help tonight. I'll be around this weekend.


My mojo is in the pants i wore yesterday, if y'all need it.

[3 Point Stan]

I suppose this will end up being one of those "SamBam talks to himself for 4 hours" gamethreads.
Something tells me it won't actually.

[southcarolina]

Something tells me it won't actually.

You know, ever since you started looking like a banker, your sarcasm meter hasnt been on the fritz. You might want to get that checked.

[3 Point Stan]

You know, ever since you started looking like a banker, your sarcasm meter hasnt been on the fritz. You might want to get that checked.
Up your butt, Jobo.

[southcarolina]

Up your butt, Jobo.

Thats it. Im going to the ESPN board. I bet i wont have to take this kind of abuse over there.

[3 Point Stan]

Thats it. Im going to the ESPN board. I bet i wont have to take this kind of abuse over there.
Say hi to Luso and possibly NEM.

[southcarolina]

Say hi to Luso and possibly NEM.

Arent they the same person?

I always assumed that Luso = NEM = Rodegrayedtor


:shrug:

[3 Point Stan]

Arent they the same person?

I always assumed that Luso = NEM = Rodegrayedtor


:shrug:
They are definitely not the same person. If thy were, NEM would have been constantly gloating about his Portuguese heritage and Luso would have constantly been crying poor mouth.

[Goodfellow9]

Stan.....isn't that Eliza Dushku with Penny?

Eff me.....Alyssa and Eliza???

[3 Point Stan]

Stan.....isn't that Eliza Dushku with Penny?

Eff me.....Alyssa and Eliza???
Damn you're right!

I googled alyssa milano brad penny (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&um=1&sa=1&q=alyssa+milano+brad+penny&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq=) and picked the one with him wearing a red shirt.

FML

[southcarolina]

They are definitely not the same person. If thy were, NEM would have been constantly gloating about his Portuguese heritage and Luso would have constantly been crying poor mouth.

Thats true. And neither one of them ever one time mentioned a Real Doll.

Oh well, at least we all know that UT is actually D22.

[3 Point Stan]

7:05 EST, Fenway Park

So Brad Penny walks into a bar. Looks down the end of the bar and who's sitting there but CC Sabathia. So Penny walks over and greets him - only to discover CC Sabathia is actually a huge asshole.

So Penny, as polite as can be points to a table in the corner. Specifically to a rather attractive brunette who is sitting there. Penny says, "Dude, you know who that is? That's Eliza Dushku.... I hit that after many a game."

Sabathia responds with a, "Yeah, so?"

To which Penny responds, "I just wanted to point out that while I was hittin' that, the only thing you hit after most of your outings is the drive-thru at Wendy's."

GO SAWX!

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/12/29/penny__1230580546_1635.jpg


Fixed!

[southcarolina]

Fixed!

Oh man this gamethread is dooooooooooomed.


Maybe we can get MrStickySock to come rescue it.

[3 Point Stan]

Oh man this gamethread is dooooooooooomed.


Maybe we can get MrStickySock to come rescue it.
I heard he's in Vermont. :th_coffee:

[southcarolina]

I heard he's in Vermont. :th_coffee:

Are you saying he is married to a dude?

[3 Point Stan]

Are you saying he is married to a dude?
I'm saying he's in Vermont....

















...not that there's anything wrong with that.

[southcarolina]

Longest.Gamethread.Evar.

And the game hasnt even started yet.

[intoxicated12]

I'm saying he's in Vermont....

















...not that there's anything wrong with that.


hehehehe can't beat a good seinfeld reference.

[saintstephen11]

Can I get two of these (http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/03/24/alyssa_milano__14_.jpg) to go?

[SamBam39]

What's this I hear about me talking to myself??? I prefer to call it "building toward our future growth". :)

[3 Point Stan]

Can I get two of these (http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/03/24/alyssa_milano__14_.jpg) to go?
Yes, please.

[SamBam39]

As expected Dreamboat out again. And yes Nick Green is starting at short.


Red Sox
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. J.D. Drew, RF
3. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
4. Jason Bay, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. David Ortiz, DH
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Rocco Baldelli, CF
9. Nick Green, SS
SP -- Brad Penny, RHP
Yankees
1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Johnny Damon, LF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Robinson Cano, 2B
6. Nick Swisher, RF
7. Hideki Matsui, DH
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Francisco Cerbelli, C
SP -- CC Sabathia, LHP

[8LayersOfCrap]

Here's what we've learned; if Alyssa Milano begins to date ANYONE on your team you trade him instantly. Because the career goes south at a blistering rate.

[3 Point Stan]

Here's what we've learned; if Alyssa Milano begins to date ANYONE on your team you trade him instantly. Because the career goes south at a blistering rate.
I gotta think that if you took a poll, every one of those players would say it was still worth it.

[8LayersOfCrap]

I gotta think that if you took a poll, every one of those players would say it was still worth it.


Well, YEAH! Especially Pavano and Zito. They each tagged Milano for about a year and got huge contracts (Pavano qualifies as a huge contract considering he got $39.95 million for 26 starts).

[Goodfellow9]

I gotta think that if you took a poll, every one of those players would say it was still worth it.


Zito and Pavano made out like bandits on their contracts AA (After Alyssa)

[3 Point Stan]

So in some ways, while Milano seems to suck the life out of you (pause for speculation on exactly how she sucks it out of you............................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...............
.................................................. .............. ok, that's enough) she might also be responsible for you cashing in.

So it kind of balances out I guess.

[8LayersOfCrap]

So in some ways, while Milano seems to suck the life out of you (pause for speculation on exactly how she sucks it out of you............................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...............
.................................................. .............. ok, that's enough) she might also be responsible for you cashing in.

So it kind of balances out I guess.

Let's put it this way; Someone tells you that you get to bang Milano and as a result you will get a huge guaranteed contract and will be forced into early retirement because you will then suck at your job. So, to recap: Bang Milano, get a lot of money, never have to work again. I'm pretty sure we would have all pulled the trigger on that one.

[3 Point Stan]

Let's put it this way; Someone tells you that you get to bang Milano and as a result you will get a huge guaranteed contract and will be forced into early retirement because you will then suck at your job. So, to recap: Bang Milano, get a lot of money, never have to work again. I'm pretty sure we would have all pulled the trigger on that one.
Hell yeah. So then you're forced into a life of banging the ex-girlfriends of guys like Corey Feldman, Ian Ziering and Scott Baio. What's wrong with that?

I'll tell you what: NOTHING

[8LayersOfCrap]

Hell yeah. So then you're forced into a life of banging the ex-girlfriends of guys like Corey Feldman, Ian Ziering and Scott Baio. What's wrong with that?

I'll tell you what: NOTHING


I'd bang the entire cast of Golden Girls for $40 million.


...Yes, even the dead one.

[saintstephen11]

I'd bang the entire cast of Golden Girls for $40 million.


...Yes, even the dead one.


LOL. There are live ones?

[Goodfellow9]

I'd bang the entire cast of Golden Girls for $40 million.


...Yes, even the dead one.


Quick....edit your post before TD sees it. GG is his favourite show and TWO of them are worm food.

[saintstephen11]

Quick....edit your post before TD sees it. GG is his favourite show and TWO of them are worm food.

You couldn't handle Betty White. She'd tear you up.

[patsox]

You could take all the zero`s and I`d do here for $39.95

[8LayersOfCrap]

Quick....edit your post before TD sees it. GG is his favourite show and TWO of them are worm food.


Damn, I had no idea Estelle Getty kicked it.

[Godsbury]

You couldn't handle Betty White. She'd tear you up.


she would smack you around with her "girls" and you wouldnt know which way was up

and for the record.....Bea Arthur was a hottie.....I would have done her

[8LayersOfCrap]

You couldn't handle Betty White. She'd tear you up.


I'll take a few blue pills and bring a strap-on just in case. For $40 mill, whatever it takes.

[Mikiemo83]

I'd bang the entire cast of Golden Girls for $40 million.


...Yes, even the dead one.
betty white is mine....you can have the others

[skeeter]

Soooooooooooooooo... this is a different type of "game thread" than I'm used to... I'll go with it, though.

[3 Point Stan]

you just KNEW after that first pitch they were gonna plunk him

[J.DL]

Pedroia has had trouble fielding grounders cleanly this season.

[skeeter]

plunking Arod...

well, I can certainly think of more negative things in this world than that...

[Red_Sox284]

you just KNEW after that first pitch they were gonna plunk him



I like Penny right now. Granted by the end of the game (or inning) that will probably change.

[ceb364]

Pedroia has had trouble fielding grounders cleanly this season.

***OFF THE ROIDS***:icon_wink







Querry: Is this the first asterisk post?

[skeeter]

Did Penny's FB just hit 97? I didn't think he still had that in him.

[ceb364]

seriously, it made perfect sense, there's no downside:

We plunked A-Rod to send a message, now CC CAN'T plunk anyone, and if Penny 'accidentally' plunks someone in the 4th and gets tossed, it's not like anyone expects him to still be here then anyway.

[Umpire]

seriously, it made perfect sense, there's no downside:

We plunked A-Rod to send a message, now CC CAN'T plunk anyone, and if Penny 'accidentally' plunks someone in the 4th and gets tossed, it's not like anyone expects him to still be here then anyway. I like how they all got together and talk it over. That is what umpires all should do. Not that i agree with the warning in the first inning.

[ceb364]

Papi or Youk need to hang out over the plae, juuuuuust a little bit, liven up the game a little.

[Umpire]

Papi or Youk need to hang out over the plae, juuuuuust a little bit, liven up the game a little. lol hahahh that is funny:redsox:

[thirdman]

Can Penny throw anything other than 4-seamers into the SZ?

He's already pitched 25 because Yankees hitters are seeing his 4-seamers coming miles away and batting them all off to fouls. What happened to all the breaking balls he was throwing in the last game? At this rate, it's only a matter of time that they hammer those 95 mph "heaters" out of the park (more than a few times I fear).

[SamBam39]

Pedro worked out for the Devil Dogs today.

[J.DL]

Is that the first time this season Lowell has gone to RF?

[intoxicated12]

....can of corn eck????

[skeeter]

Nick Swisher: "Gee Doc, 'Attention Deficit Disorder'? What's that?"

[ceb364]

Nick Swisher: "Gee Doc, 'Attention Deficit Disorder'? What's that?"

"He's Swishalicious!"

[J.DL]

3 more innings from Penny then go to Masterson.

[ceb364]

Well now.

[skeeter]

Yep - Papi's done!

[LennyJD]

He's back.

[intoxicated12]

Papi is back. This is the turning point. He will be like the past week, the rest of the way. He will finish with more than 30 jacks and be back in the 3 hole within the next month.

[ceb364]

Papi is back. This is the turning point. He will be like the past week, the rest of the way. He will finish with more than 30 jacks and be back in the 3 hole within the next month.

What happened to your casino cash?

[holly]

Papi is back. This is the turning point. He will be like the past week, the rest of the way. He will finish with more than 30 jacks and be back in the 3 hole within the next month.
i'll be happy if he just gets the average up over .250 and can hit 20 HRs. no need to get greedy

[skeeter]

What happened to your casino cash?

My guess would be 8's and aces

[Grumpy_Bottom]

she would smack you around with her "girls" and you wouldnt know which way was up

and for the record.....Bea Arthur was a <s>hottie</s> man.....I would have done her:blink:

[SamBam39]

My sentiments exactly.

[8LayersOfCrap]

:blink:


Yeah, I'm pretty sure dear old Bea was sporting an adam's apple.

Side note: I don't get the Sox game over here (hour north of Philly) so I'm a little late to the acknowledgment of Ortiz smackin' a homer...but, um...yippy! I'd rather Ortiz turn it around (and ****ing quickly, you know) than trading away prospects.

Cheap, good, young talent is always better than over priced talent that is a season or three past their sell-by date.

[3 Point Stan]

e - 7

[SamBam39]

Do you have MLB Network? It is on there tonight as well.

[8LayersOfCrap]

Do you have MLB Network? It is on there tonight as well.

Well, god damn, what do you know?! I stopped checking the MLB network during games cuz I kept getting Classic Games.

[SamBam39]

Well, god damn, what do you know?! I stopped checking the MLB network during games cuz I kept getting Classic Games.
There you go. Enjoy!!!!:woohoo:

[Godsbury]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure dear old Bea was sporting an adam's apple.

Side note: I don't get the Sox game over here (hour north of Philly) so I'm a little late to the acknowledgment of Ortiz smackin' a homer...but, um...yippy! I'd rather Ortiz turn it around (a ****ing quickly, you know) than trading away prospects.

Cheap, good, young talent is always better than over priced talent that is a season or three past their sell-by date.

an hour north of philly????

Methinks me and you live REAL close to each other

[reddick]

big out for penny getting a-rod in the 6th

[ceb364]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure dear old Bea was sporting an adam's apple.

Side note: I don't get the Sox game over here (hour north of Philly) so I'm a little late to the acknowledgment of Ortiz smackin' a homer...but, um...yippy! I'd rather Ortiz turn it around (a ****ing quickly, you know) than trading away prospects.

Cheap, good, young talent is always better than over priced talent that is a season or three past their sell-by date.


You going to any of the games this weekend?

[Mikiemo83]

Penny is showinhe wants to stay

trade DIcek to anyone for a SS :D

[Godsbury]

Trade him now Theo.....

His value will NEVER be higher.........

what a start for Mr. Penny!!!!!

[3 Point Stan]

need runs!

[reddick]

don't trade penny. try to trade daisuke. i have to agree with mikiemo.

[ceb364]

need runs!

I concur. How about a walk and a dinger, then let the BP mail it in.

[SamBam39]

Good outing for Penny!

[SamBam39]

Yes runs a plenty please!

[SamBam39]

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[Mikiemo83]

don't trade penny. try to trade daisuke. i have to agree with mikiemo.wow you must be a drunk noob to agree with me :icon_jook :thumb:


tied game dammit :sulk:

[oldskool138]

Tight game! Good thing our bullpen is solid!

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Tight game! Good thing our bullpen is solid!
:suicide:

[3 Point Stan]

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[oldskool138]

Well...maybe the bullpen isn't all that hot. Not tonight at least

[Mikiemo83]

i hate arod

[JBay44]

agh A-rod

[LennyJD]

f*ck

[reddick]

should have traded delcarmen while his value was high.

[Godsbury]

Theo PLEASE trade Delcarmen for a usable part......I dont NOT care what his numbers are....you CAN not trust him in a big spot

easily the worst guy in our pen.......was there ANY doubt he was going to give it up this inning

[reddick]

so why wasn't papelbon called in for that situation? why didn't he come in for the 'save'?

[SamBam39]

I hope you get hit by a bus MDC you piece of shit.

[Mikiemo83]

manny and dicek - dead to me

[Godsbury]

BTW...... nice miss right out over the plate DelCarmen

Tek signals inside......sets up inside....you throw it right in the mddle of the plate

moron:blowup:

[LennyJD]

Question is....





Does our offense pull the usually bullshit and fall asleep?

[3 Point Stan]

So.... How do you all feel about Manny DelCarmen?

[Scarpad]

so why wasn't papelbon called in for that situation? why didn't he come in for the 'save'?

7th inning. But still there were other options, like Saito.. Francona's MO thou, he always leaves Delcarmen in too long.

[Godsbury]

and Mike Lowell you take a lot of blame here to pal

Melky showed bunt ONE EFFING TIME in his first AB and you play up on him the ret of the game....he slaps basehits by you

an EASY play if you are playing normal positioning......also playing up on Cervelli.....you catch the liner at normal depth..

:cuss:

[reddick]

7th inning. But still there were other options, like Saito.. Francona's MO thou, he always leaves Delcarmen in too long.

that was the 'game'. if papelbon is your "best relief pitcher" then he should be out in that situation.

very disappointed that the "best closah evah" sat in the bullpen why his team surrendered the lead.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

that was the 'game'. if papelbon is your "best relief pitcher" then he should be out in that situation.

very disappointed that the "best closah evah" sat in the bullpen why his team surrendered the lead.
Sorry but there isn't a manager in the majors who puts their closer in in the 7th tied 1-1 with 2 on and 2 outs. Maybe you just have "the gift"

[LennyJD]

Our offense better not f*cking die... score in the early innings, have a stroke and die later in the game.

[reddick]

Sorry but there isn't a manager in the majors who puts their closer in in the 7th tied 1-1 with 2 on and 2 outs. Maybe you just have "the gift"

what's a "closer"?

so you're essentially saying "closers" pitch the least important inning of the game because they come in with the bases empty and only need to get 3 easy outs?

[3 Point Stan]

what's a "closer"?

so you're essentially saying "closers" pitch the least important inning of the game because they come in with the bases empty and only need to get 3 easy outs?
He's note saying, the culture of MLB is saying it.

[Mikiemo83]

Rocco is back


what a catch

[Mikiemo83]

what's a "closer"?

so you're essentially saying "closers" pitch the least important inning of the game because they come in with the bases empty and only need to get 3 easy outs?sounds like closer by committee

[PedroiaSalsa15]

Delcarmen was a fine choice to be in there that inning...I don't understand why people hate him so much.

[J.DL]

The reason teams don't use a bullpen ace in the toughest situations is because you'd have to constantly have him warmed up in the pen. You can't just tell a guy to warm up real quick after two guys get on to face the next batter.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

The reason teams don't use a bullpen ace in the toughest situations is because you'd have to constantly have him warmed up in the pen. You can't just tell a guy to warm up real quick after two guys get on to face the next batter.

I don't buy that...

That might be true sometimes, but when a manager chooses which guy to get up and throwing, most of them follow the strict philosphy that your "closer" is to pitch in the 9th inning.

Look at it this way...many managers (Torre is one) won't even use their closer in a tie game (at least on the road), because then they struggle with who to bring in to protect a lead. Well, isn't it more important to not give up runs when you're tied, rather than when you have a lead (even if it's only 1 run)? It's just one of the many ways that the philosophy of using a "closer" defies basic logic...that is, assuming the manager believes his "closer" is really his best pitcher.

[Mikiemo83]

Delcarmen was a fine choice to be in there that inning...I don't understand why people hate him so much.to start it but maybe not finish it

[3 Point Stan]

I am hardly MDC's biggest fan but bringing him into the game in this situation is hardly out of character this season. He just didn't get it done.

[Mikiemo83]

I don't buy that...

That might be true sometimes, but when a manager chooses which guy to get up and throwing, most of them follow the strict philosphy that your "closer" is to pitch in the 9th inning.

Look at it this way...many managers (Torre is one) won't even use their closer in a tie game (at least on the road), because then they struggle with who to bring in to protect a lead. Well, isn't it more important to not give up runs when you're tied, rather than when you have a lead (even if it's only 1 run)? It's just one of the many ways that the philosophy of using a "closer" defies basic logic...that is, assuming the manager believes his "closer" is really his best pitcher.so paps pitches the 7th ....who pitches in the 8th and 9th?

or does he give you a Radatz 3 inning save???

[PedroiaSalsa15]

Great AB for Pedroia there...hope it pays off

[LennyJD]

I love it



I

F*CKING

LOVE

IT

[Mikiemo83]

Drew

[PedroiaSalsa15]

so paps pitches the 7th ....who pitches in the 8th and 9th?

or does he give you a Radatz 3 inning save???

Are you suggesting that Delcarmen, Ramirez and Okajima are incapable of pitching in those innings?

Please explain your logic.

[JBay44]

Ju Du Dru

[Grumpy_Bottom]

what's a "closer"?

so you're essentially saying "closers" pitch the least important inning of the game because they come in with the bases empty and only need to get 3 easy outs?
Uh, a "closer" is a guy who 'closes' out a game. If it was just a dude they brought in in the toughest situation of the game regardless of the inning, they'd call him a 'stopper'. And who said anything about just the 9th, but show me a closer in the past 10+ years who came in in the 7th tied. Doesn't happen, won't happen. Good luck with your quotation marks, though, I hear they're popular this time of year.

[Mikiemo83]

Are you suggesting that Delcarmen, Ramirez and Okajima are incapable of pitching in those innings?

Please explain your logic.are you implying they can not pitch the 7th? I mean saving Paps to close or finish is the right thing


what if the sox score 3 and take the lead...the closer is wasted in the 7th


closer by committee

[3 Point Stan]

Are you suggesting that Delcarmen, Ramirez and Okajima are incapable of pitching in those innings?

Please explain your logic.
But it has already been established that MDC, Ramirez and Okajima are the go-to men in those innings. So what's your logic here?

[LennyJD]

No DP please

[3 Point Stan]

wOOt!

[PedroiaSalsa15]

are you implying they can not pitch the 7th? I mean saving Paps to close or finish is the right thing


what if the sox score 3 and take the lead...the closer is wasted in the 7th


closer by committee

What do you mean "wasted?" If he is used in the 7th inning when the opposing team is threatening to tie or take the lead, it's hardly "wasting" anyone. Whatever happens in subsequent innings cannot be predicted, and nor should they be taken into account when deciding whether or not to use a certain reliever. This bullpen is so stocked full of talent, it really isn't that much of an issue.

You still haven't really explained why it's the "right thing" to save someone for the 9th inning. What is so different about the 9th inning?

[reddick]

Uh, a "closer" is a guy who 'closes' out a game. If it was just a dude they brought in in the toughest situation of the game regardless of the inning, they'd call him a 'stopper'. And who said anything about just the 9th, but show me a closer in the past 10+ years who came in in the 7th tied. Doesn't happen, won't happen. Good luck with your quotation marks, though, I hear they're popular this time of year.

i've heard "closers" called "stoppers" plenty of times.

people will hail the red sox for tieing the game, but if papelbon comes in and gets a couple of outs in that crucial situation, they probably aren't in this mess to begin with.

[Mikiemo83]

But it has already been established that MDC, Ramirez and Okajima are the go-to men in those innings. So what's your logic here?no they can not handle the 7th...they need to pitch the 9th



tied game


sign Bay.....Soon

[PedroiaSalsa15]

But it has already been established that MDC, Ramirez and Okajima are the go-to men in those innings. So what's your logic here?

What is special about "those innings" that they only have to pitch in them, and not the 9th? Why is the 9th inning considered reserved for one certain pitcher?

[Grumpy_Bottom]

But it has already been established that MDC, Ramirez and Okajima are the go-to men in those innings. So what's your logic here?
Don't forget Saito. Maybe we should put Paps in to start the game, that way we'll always have a leg up after the first, and then Wakefield can close them all while Smoltz works as a bullpen fluffer and Beckett makes wings.

OK, WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH DEMARCO HALE?

[LennyJD]

F*CKING YES.


caps

[PedroiaSalsa15]

LOL at the Yankees bullpen

[oldskool138]

YES! what'd i tell you!

[J.DL]

Papelbon will get the top of the order in the 9th.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

i've heard "closers" called "stoppers" plenty of times.

people will hail the red sox for tieing the game, but if papelbon comes in and gets a couple of outs in that crucial situation, they probably aren't in this mess to begin with.
Really. So when was the last time a "closer" was brought in in the 7th with 2 outs in a tie game? I'm sure you're smarter than every manager in the majors, I'm just curious to see how rare your brand of genius is.

[sprocketboy]

I'm mystified at Girardi leaving him out there so long.

Let's go, Pa-pi.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

This is a perfect example of mis-managing the "closer."

Why has Rivera not been brought in? He should have been brought in as soon as the Red Sox started threatening. Now Girardi still is not bringing him in to prevent further damage.

Yet the only thing people can say to explain it is "well, Rivera's the closer, not the 'come in down by 1 run in the 8th' guy."

If Rivera is supposedly the best pitcher in the pen, he HAD to be in there at SOME point in this inning.

[reddick]

Really. So when was the last time a "closer" was brought in in the 7th with 2 outs in a tie game? I'm sure you're smarter than every manager in the majors, I'm just curious to see how rare your brand of genius is.

i'm really not surprised you can't have civilized discussion. you really have no defense on why the best relief pitcher (supposedly) should sit in the bullpen why his team blows the lead. could be 4-0 right now.

[Mikiemo83]

What do you mean "wasted?" If he is used in the 7th inning when the opposing team is threatening to tie or take the lead, it's hardly "wasting" anyone. Whatever happens in subsequent innings cannot be predicted, and nor should they be taken into account when deciding whether or not to use a certain reliever. This bullpen is so stocked full of talent, it really isn't that much of an issue.

You still haven't really explained why it's the "right thing" to save someone for the 9th inning. What is so different about the 9th inning?because your closer by committee mentality failed already


wasted yeah wasted...you take a guy who is used exclusively in the 9th and get him up in the 7th and his whole routine is messed with


bullpens work best when a role is defined

you have a 7th inning guy (MDC/Oki), a guy in the 8th (Ramirez/Saito)and a closer


roles work best with creatures of habit
___________________________________________

in your world Paps would be used...who closes this out...the guy who failed in the 7th?

they

[yankeegrela]

Good thing Melky wasn't in center. Gardner's arm isn't too much better than Damon.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

Really. So when was the last time a "closer" was brought in in the 7th with 2 outs in a tie game? I'm sure you're smarter than every manager in the majors, I'm just curious to see how rare your brand of genius is.

Try thinking for yourself for once.

Just because something isn't typically done, doesn't mean it should continue that way. It makes logical sense. Just because a pitcher is labeled the "closer" shouldn't restrict him from coming in for other situations when necessary if the game is on the line.

[J.DL]

If the Red Sox win here it is the TURNING POINT of the season.

[sprocketboy]

Try thinking for yourself for once.

Just because something isn't typically done, doesn't mean it should continue that way. It makes logical sense. Just because a pitcher is labeled the "closer" shouldn't restrict him from coming in for other situations when necessary if the game is on the line.

Decent post, if you ignore the sentence in bold.

[Mikiemo83]

LOL at the Yankees bullpenyeah Rivera shuld have been in there

This is a perfect example of mis-managing the "closer."

Why has Rivera not been brought in? He should have been brought in as soon as the Red Sox started threatening. Now Girardi still is not bringing him in to prevent further damage.

Yet the only thing people can say to explain it is "well, Rivera's the closer, not the 'come in down by 1 run in the 8th' guy."

If Rivera is supposedly the best pitcher in the pen, he HAD to be in there at SOME point in this inning.no he is needed to preserve the win if needed in the 9th ...that is his role

[yankeegrela]

I believe Tampa used their closer in the seventh a few times last year. One of the multiple ones they employed last year.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Try thinking for yourself for once.

Just because something isn't typically done, doesn't mean it should continue that way. It makes logical sense. Just because a pitcher is labeled the "closer" shouldn't restrict him from coming in for other situations when necessary if the game is on the line.
Awesome, 2 guys who are smarter than everybody else in baseball. ESPN must have been like some secret ninja training school for back seat managers. With your gigantic noggin power, shouldn't you be curing cancer, or inventing odor eliminating underwear?

[3 Point Stan]

What is special about "those innings" that they only have to pitch in them, and not the 9th? Why is the 9th inning considered reserved for one certain pitcher?
The difference is, whether you like it or not, the Red Sox as an organization have established that Paps is their 9th inning man and the rest of the pen are there to set-up that situation for him.

Not saying by any means that none of those men are incapable of pitching the 9th, I am simply saying that the BP is structured as the Red Sox intended it to be. If one of those guys is pitching the 9th, it's because the Sox either don't have the lead, or Paps is unavailable.

Either way, I don't see the big hang-up about this. Seems long Monday Morning Quarterbacking, quite frankly. MDC failed to do his job tonight so now folks want to re-assign the BP.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

because your closer by committee mentality failed already


wasted yeah wasted...you take a guy who is used exclusively in the 9th and get him up in the 7th and his whole routine is messed with


bullpens work best when a role is defined

you have a 7th inning guy (MDC/Oki), a guy in the 8th (Ramirez/Saito)and a closer


roles work best with creatures of habit
___________________________________________

in your world Paps would be used...who closes this out...the guy who failed in the 7th?

they
If Papelbon had in fact come in, and left the inning with a 1-1 tie, you could be looking at a 3+ run lead right now, in which case it wouldn't be so important for someone else to get a perfect inning.

And as for the "closer by committee" failure...do you really want me to name off the pitchers we had that year, and compare them to who we have now? I'm pretty sure Ramirez, Okajima, Saito, Delcarmen could get 3 outs in the 9th inning.

I'm not suggesting Papelbon should have come in for the 7th, since I personally think he's overrated, and wouldn't have necessarily been that much more effective, it's just the principle of when you have a deep bullpen like the Sox do, you have flexibility to bring guys in at different times.

[LennyJD]

Papelbon I hate, but I have faith in you right now. Shut these fu*kers down.

[sheahilly4prez]

Oh boy, Salsa is about to get the ESPN crew kicked out.
Message to the regulars/people not familar with ESPN - the term "closer" is abhorred there, and the concept is looked upon with disgust. We generally do not believe in the traditional closer mode.

[J.DL]

Baldelli might need to see Papi's eye doc.

[Scarpad]

Lack of a Big bat off the Bench hurts there. Baldelli and Veritek ain't it. Paps with 1 run scares me this year.

[3 Point Stan]

If Papelbon had in fact come in, and left the inning with a 1-1 tie, you could be looking at a 3+ run lead right now, in which case it wouldn't be so important for someone else to get a perfect inning.

And as for the "closer by committee" failure...do you really want me to name off the pitchers we had that year, and compare them to who we have now? I'm pretty sure Ramirez, Okajima, Saito, Delcarmen could get 3 outs in the 9th inning.

I'm not suggesting Papelbon should have come in for the 7th, since I personally think he's overrated, and wouldn't have necessarily been that much more effective, it's just the principle of when you have a deep bullpen like the Sox do, you have flexibility to bring guys in at different times.
I understand where you're going with this and it's not illogical, in theory. But in reality, this is how the BP has operated all season and it's managed to secure the best BP ERA in MLB while doing so. Overall, it's working.

[elsid13]

OK just got back from the bar, where I got into with pseudo fan. Freaking bitch was whining about why the sox weren't killing the MFY by 14 and how Penny wasn't showing up tonight. Unbelievable.

[steve1]

my papi

2/3 with 2 walks

over .200

nice homer....way to go!

do it papelbon...

[Godsbury]

*ahem*

Rocco...........

That was one of the worst ABs I have seen out of a Red Sox in quite awhile

seriously man....what were you thinking?:shrug_n2:

[JBay44]

Oh boy, Salsa is about to get the ESPN crew kicked out.
Message to the regulars/people not familar with ESPN - the term "closer" is abhorred there, and the concept is looked upon with disgust. We generally do not believe in the traditional closer mode.

Salsa - no offense, but tone it down. Pretty much anything goes here, but no personal attacks. And yes, I used to post where you came from...

I think it's a small tradeoff for a better environment.

[3 Point Stan]

Oh boy, Salsa is about to get the ESPN crew kicked out.
Message to the regulars/people not familar with ESPN - the term "closer" is abhorred there, and the concept is looked upon with disgust. We generally do not believe in the traditional closer mode.
Nobody's getting booted, this is good, healthy discussion.

We're probably all a-holes for having while the Sox were scoring 3 runs but het, whatever.

:icon_jook

[reddick]

Salsa - no offense, but tone it down. Pretty much anything goes here, but no personal attacks. And yes, I used to post where you came from...

I think it's a small tradeoff.


i never read one personal attack really from salsa. the personal attacks were coming from other board members. even then, it really wasn't anything to be offended about.

[reddick]

that's why green starts.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

I have no problem with the way the Red Sox bullpen in particular has worked this year, as obviously they're the best bullpen in the league...

But to say a guy who is tabbed as a "closer" can't pitch in a situation which could decide the game (i.e. Rivera not appearing in the 8th before the Red Sox took the lead) is a concept that for some reason, managers are afraid to mess with.

If you think there's a better chance of winning the game with him coming in for that situation, you have to bring him in. You can't just lose the game and say "well, that's just his role."

It's like having Youkilis sitting on the bench because he was supposed to have the day off, and having Nick Green at the plate with the bases loaded and the winning run at 1B in the 9th with 2 outs, and not sending Youkilis to the plate because "he doesn't like to pinch hit, it's not his role."

S*ck it up and do what you need to do to win the game. That's what you're paid to do.

[Mikiemo83]

If Papelbon had in fact come in, and left the inning with a 1-1 tie, you could be looking at a 3+ run lead right now, in which case it wouldn't be so important for someone else to get a perfect inning.

And as for the "closer by committee" failure...do you really want me to name off the pitchers we had that year, and compare them to who we have now? I'm pretty sure Ramirez, Okajima, Saito, Delcarmen could get 3 outs in the 9th inning.

I'm not suggesting Papelbon should have come in for the 7th, since I personally think he's overrated, and wouldn't have necessarily been that much more effective, it's just the principle of when you have a deep bullpen like the Sox do, you have flexibility to bring guys in at different times.
your premise is Closer by committee -no matter who the arms are.

MDC has done the job the whole year, yet you knew tonight he would fail and Paps should pitch the 7th because the Sox would get a few runs in the 8th and make the move appear correct


sorry I, along with all of MLB, think roles in the Bullpen are important...as does closers who fail to execute in non-save situation

[sheahilly4prez]

Nick Green channeling Nomar circa 1999. Nice.

[LennyJD]

LUGO DOES NOT MAKE THAT...ever

[reddick]

your premise is Closer by committee -no matter who the arms are.

MDC has done the job the whole year, yet you knew tonight he would fail and Paps should pitch the 7th because the Sox would get a few runs in the 8th and make the move appear correct


sorry I, along with all of MLB, think roles in the Bullpen are important...as does closers who fail to execute in non-save situation


i think they gave delcarmen plenty of opportunity to get out of that inning.

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Oh boy, Salsa is about to get the ESPN crew kicked out.
Message to the regulars/people not familar with ESPN - the term "closer" is abhorred there, and the concept is looked upon with disgust. We generally do not believe in the traditional closer mode.
Awesome, do you guys have cool matching jackets too?

[sprocketboy]

that's why green starts.

He's making me regret starting that Shortstop thread.

[J.DL]

That looked like a patented Jeter cheapie off the bat.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

Salsa - no offense, but tone it down. Pretty much anything goes here, but no personal attacks. And yes, I used to post where you came from...

I think it's a small tradeoff for a better environment.
When did I ever post a personal attack?

I thought a "better environment" was being able to speak your mind about baseball without someone shushing you...am I right?

[sheahilly4prez]

Awesome, do you guys have cool matching jackets too?


Nope, but we do speak in the second person always and our memebers-only parties are, um, intense.

[JBay44]

i never read one personal attack really from salsa. the personal attacks were coming from other board members. even then, it really wasn't anything to be offended about.

I suppose. The diff is, people here aren't eejits. There's no need to be overly condescending.

FWIW, I agree w/Salsa. I think with this BP, "closer by commitee" will work.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

Ball game

[J.DL]

A-Rod ain't out there posing now is he?

[Godsbury]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that was a DAGGER into their hearts

[reddick]

papelbon was hit pretty hard that inning. sometimes the balls find holes, sometimes they don't.

[oldskool138]

Play them off Keyboard Kat!

[LennyJD]

GO HOME YANKEES. YOU'RE A DISGRACE.





wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[JBay44]

When did I ever post a personal attack?

I thought a "better environment" was being able to speak your mind about baseball without someone shushing you...am I right?

My bad Pedro. I'm overly concerned with making sure not to piss off the natives. I'm probably over-thinking it.

On the plus side, SWEEEEEEEP!

[3 Point Stan]

Play them off Keyboard Kat!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/shepdogg16/PlayHimOffKeyboardCat.gif

[Grumpy_Bottom]

Nope, but we do speak in the second person always and our members-only <s>parties</s> jackets are, um, intense.
:icon_supe

[sheahilly4prez]

BTW, I think this was a game that the NYY should've brought Rivera in during the 8th. They really should've won tonight...what an awful loss.

[reddick]

BTW, I think this was a game that the NYY should've brought Rivera in during the 8th. They really should've won tonight...what an awful loss.

rivera can't handle the six out saves anymore. he's very papelbon-esque now.

[3 Point Stan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/shepdogg16/PlayHimOffKeyboardCat.gif

Play Johnny Damon off, Keyboard Cat! (http://bobsworth.dreamhosters.com/keyboardcat/index.php?id=YRarwRIJHlo&start=10)

[8LayersOfCrap]

an hour north of philly????

Methinks me and you live REAL close to each other

I'm near the Doyelstown area.

[elsid13]

Nice win and on to the next victim

[Mikiemo83]

Oh boy, Salsa is about to get the ESPN crew kicked out.
Message to the regulars/people not familar with ESPN - the term "closer" is abhorred there, and the concept is looked upon with disgust. We generally do not believe in the traditional closer mode.
who is getting the boot....OK I get it the old ESPN board was strict and booted people...this is not that board
Salsa - no offense, but tone it down. Pretty much anything goes here, but no personal attacks. And yes, I used to post where you came from...

I think it's a small tradeoff for a better environment.thanks

i never read one personal attack really from salsa. the personal attacks were coming from other board members. even then, it really wasn't anything to be offended about.if I may talk for him I believe he was talking about the banned kicked out crap...

When did I ever post a personal attack?

I thought a "better environment" was being able to speak your mind about baseball without someone shushing you...am I right?who the hell is shushing you?

listen the planet allows opinions to be discussed, you guys are welcome here with open arms...get over the persecution complex that other joint gave you.

relax and let the opinion flow

discussion is welcome...a giant circle jerk with all thinking one way is a boring debate

[sheahilly4prez]

rivera can't handle the six out saves anymore. he's very papelbon-esque now.


I meant for the 8th only, and have someone else close. Even Francona did that with Papelbon a few times in 2007 I think when he felt like he NEEDED a win.

[JBay44]

who is getting the boot....OK I get it the old ESPN board was strict and booted people...this is not that board
thanks

if I may talk for him I believe he was talking about the banned kicked out crap...

who the hell is shushing you?

listen the planet allows opinions to be discussed, you guys are welcome here with open arms...get over the persecution complex that other joint gave you.

relax and let the opinion flow

discussion is welcome...a giant circle jerk with all thinking one way is a boring debate


Mikie, that was my mistake.

[8LayersOfCrap]

You going to any of the games this weekend?

No, I don't have the coin for that right now. And with the amount of rain we've had I have a lot of work to do on the property this weekend, so it is for the best.

I saw your post about the extra ticket and it did make me think about.

[reddick]

I meant for the 8th only, and have someone else close. Even Francona did that with Papelbon a few times in 2007 I think when he felt like he NEEDED a win.

ah, gotcha. and there's also the chance your offense blows it open and you don't even need a 'save'.

[sheahilly4prez]

I was joking about the ESPN people getting the boot, btw. I just found it amusing that Salsa wasn't in the door for 5 minutes and he already was arguing with people, which I certainly don't think is a bad thing.

[PedroiaSalsa15]

I meant for the 8th only, and have someone else close. Even Francona did that with Papelbon a few times in 2007 I think when he felt like he NEEDED a win.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Once the Sox threatened, Girardi never even gave a thought at bringing in Rivera. That's the one-way thinking that managers still have. If you want to use your "closer" for the 9th most games, that's fine. But I'm pretty sure that inning was the difference in the game...if you don't bring in your best reliever, then that's why you lose.

Roles be damned in that situation.

[Mikiemo83]

Mikie, that was my mistake.no mistake it is all good honest...just want them to know their opinions, while not mine :D, are still welcome here and will not get them the boot

really free speech is still one of our rights here

[JBay44]

I was joking about the ESPN people getting the boot, btw. I just found it amusing that Salsa wasn't in the door for 5 minutes and he already was arguing with people, which I certainly don't think is a bad thing.

He brings something to the table no doubt. I overreacted, thinking the locals were not as cool as they are.

btw - where's eggs?

[Mikiemo83]

ok to the noobs...your turn to re-fill the beer fridge

[8LayersOfCrap]

Nice win and on to the next victim

The next series is Philly and that WILL be interesting. The Phills pitching has been very solid recently and they have a lot of bats. No idea what to make of the series. It should be fun though.

[reddick]

do you sit ortiz for the three games @ PHI or do you let him start one? he's been hitting the ball well so it's hard to think you'd just sit him for the entire series when he's on a roll.

[sheahilly4prez]

Not sure where eggs is...he might not have been on ESPN today. I think eggs, sirmo, and phifer (though not sure how'd he fit in) are MUSTS, but we'll see.

[8LayersOfCrap]

ok to the noobs...your turn to re-fill the beer fridge


All I got is cheap Mexican beer. Have at it if you want it.


Beer in PA is f**king expensive. OH, and Godsbury, if you really are close by you need to make a run to Wegmans, they are selling beer now and the prices are better than bars and almost as good as the state stores. They have some decent variety, too.

[Mikiemo83]

do you sit ortiz for the three games @ PHI or do you let him start one? he's been hitting the ball well so it's hard to think you'd just sit him for the entire series when he's on a roll.
sit him and he is the 1st hitter for a pitcher


youk is just too good at 1st when Green is a bit less than gold glove at ss

[8LayersOfCrap]

do you sit ortiz for the three games @ PHI or do you let him start one? he's been hitting the ball well so it's hard to think you'd just sit him for the entire series when he's on a roll.

It's an NL game so even if he sits he will get a chance to pinch hit nearly every game. Have him come off the bench in the first game, at least.

[sheahilly4prez]

do you sit ortiz for the three games @ PHI or do you let him start one? he's been hitting the ball well so it's hard to think you'd just sit him for the entire series when he's on a roll.


I think he should get a game, with Youk at 3B and Lowell benched. He really looks like Ortiz again...that home run off CC was as good as any he's ever hit, considering the force of it, who he hit it off, etc.

[Mikiemo83]

All I got is cheap Mexican beer. Have at it if you want it.


Beer in PA is f**king expensive. OH, and Godsbury, if you really are close by you need to make a run to Wegmans, they are selling beer now and the prices are better than bars and almost as good as the state stores. They have some decent variety, too.
beer is good

I forgot about your beer dilemma...bars fist you and the state joints were hard to find the last time I was down there

[Godsbury]

I'm near the Doyelstown area.

ok maybe not that close

I am near Hazleton
1.75 hours north of Philly

[Godsbury]

All I got is cheap Mexican beer. Have at it if you want it.


Beer in PA is f**king expensive. OH, and Godsbury, if you really are close by you need to make a run to Wegmans, they are selling beer now and the prices are better than bars and almost as good as the state stores. They have some decent variety, too.

Dude....Yuengling Lager....you dont need anything else

a case of bottles up here is 17.99

you cant beat it with a stick

[3 Point Stan]

do you sit ortiz for the three games @ PHI or do you let him start one? he's been hitting the ball well so it's hard to think you'd just sit him for the entire series when he's on a roll.
Good question. They're facing:

Blanton (R)
Bastardo (L)
Happ (L)

Ortiz is 6 for 20 against Blanton with 2 HR's. Maybe play him tomorrow and sit him the rest of the weekend.

[8LayersOfCrap]

ok maybe not that close

I am near Hazleton
1.75 hours north of Philly

Yeah, you are kind of out there. Hopefully the weather is better over by you.

[Mikiemo83]

Dude....Yuengling Lager....you dont need anything else

a case of bottles up here is 17.99

you cant beat it with a stickno you can't...and it is a good beer too

[8LayersOfCrap]

Good question. They're facing:

Blanton (R)
Bastardo (L)
Happ (L)

Ortiz is 6 for 20 against Blanton with 2 HR's. Maybe play him tomorrow and sit him the rest of the weekend.

Bastardo has been through 80-90% fastballs in his first two outings. It hangs out at around 92-95mph. Might be good for Ortiz to see him. It takes out the guess work of what is coming.

[nomars_girl]

who is getting the boot....OK I get it the old ESPN board was strict and booted people...this is not that board
thanks

if I may talk for him I believe he was talking about the banned kicked out crap...

who the hell is shushing you?

listen the planet allows opinions to be discussed, you guys are welcome here with open arms...get over the persecution complex that other joint gave you.

relax and let the opinion flow

discussion is welcome...a giant circle jerk with all thinking one way is a boring debate

Is the infamous NEM bunting game thread still in existence? Maybe they need to see that for perspective to see what it took for someone to be booted. And it wasn't just that thread because he was like that all the time. And had the decision been up to me, he still wouldn't have been booted and I was the one he was attacking.

And I think they are shushing each other.

[sprocketboy]

Is the infamous NEM bunting game thread still in existence? Maybe they need to see that for perspective to see what it took for someone to be booted. And it wasn't just that thread because he was like that all the time. And had the decision been up to me, he still wouldn't have been booted and I was the one he was attacking.

Yes, that thread does still exist (http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=bunting&page=68). I pointed to that poster's first mention of 'bunt' and 'the ladies' that I could find.

Not sure if you really want to re-live it, but I suppose the thread does hold some instructional value for others.

[southcarolina]

A 200 post game thread? Is it the playoffs already?

[southcarolina]

Dude....Yuengling Lager....you dont need anything else

a case of bottles up here is 17.99

you cant beat it with a stick

I like the Yuengling Black & Tan.

[SamBam39]

Something about new members or something...I forget.

[Mikiemo83]

Yes, that thread does still exist (http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=bunting&page=68). I pointed to that poster's first mention of 'bunt' and 'the ladies' that I could find.

Not sure if you really want to re-live it, but I suppose the thread does hold some instructional value for others.thanks...but he is from your state...you his close personal friend?

:D

A 200 post game thread? Is it the playoffs already?start off with Allyssa Milano cookie and morph into Elisha talk


add in a Penny sabathia food fight with the Yankees and you got some action going on



yeah it is all the new blood, I guess they can stay

[8LayersOfCrap]

start off with Allyssa Milano cookie and morph into Elisha talk

add in a Penny sabathia food fight with the Yankees and you got some action going on


Don't forget about the Golden Girls!

[Mikiemo83]

Don't forget about the Golden Girls!I could never forget betty white :yay2:

[JBay44]

Yes, that thread does still exist (http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=bunting&page=68). I pointed to that poster's first mention of 'bunt' and 'the ladies' that I could find.

Not sure if you really want to re-live it, but I suppose the thread does hold some instructional value for others.

Wow, that thread is absolutely brutal. NEM seems like a real winner after reading through that.

...and don't even get me started on bunting.

[Mikiemo83]

Wow, that thread is absolutely brutal. NEM seems like a real winner after reading through that.

...and don't even get me started on bunting.not to get into history of the situation but it took that for nem - New England Mike - to get bounced and he had a history with the mother board that was less than favorable to put if nicely

[8LayersOfCrap]

Wow, that thread is absolutely brutal. NEM seems like a real winner after reading through that.

...and don't even get me started on bunting.


After reading that thread I am going to end every sentence with "...ladies".

For instance; 'Julio Lugo is, by far, the best player on the team...ladies'

I might need to pop my collar and gel up my hair, though. Maybe we can get some MFY guidos to help me get my look down.

[Mikiemo83]

After reading that thread I am going to end every sentence with "...ladies".

For instance; 'Julio Lugo is, by far, the best player on the team...ladies'

I might need to pop my collar and gel up my hair, though. Maybe we can get some MFY guidos to help me get my look down.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/zmonster8cat/guidos.jpg


http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/frederix/jersey_guido_motivational.jpg

[SamBam39]

Ahh NEM....good times, good times.

I think the mere mention of Tim Wakefield was his "Niagara Falls".