If your ultimate goal is to win in October would you sign A-Rod? [Archive] - Sox Planet

babalu87

10-09-2007, 03:18 PM

Mikiemo83

10-09-2007, 03:24 PM

THOSE 58 PLATE APPEARANCES ARE FROM GAME 4 OF THE ALCS IN 2004

fitting but he will look good hitting in Angels Red, give me Lowell for 3 years at 12 per before Arod at 30 million for 10 years like Boras wants

nomars_girl

10-09-2007, 03:28 PM

I don't like him and I don't want him. Bring back Mike from Lowell.

southcarolina

10-09-2007, 03:35 PM

Arawd will end up playing for the Angels.

Vlads knees and back are failing
Garret Anderson is old.
All their young "sluggers" are gap hitters with doubles power.
Their third baseman is a centerfielder
Their owner is a Steinbrenner wannabe with an open checkbook and a penchant for signing latin players.

They sign Arawd. Their infield is Kotchman, Kendrick, Cabrera, Arawd. Unless Brandon Wood is ready. Then they dump Cabrera.

Figgins becomes the starting CFer. Vlad becomes the full time DH. Matthews is the RFer. LF is either The Corpse of Garret Anderson if he can play one more season, or Willits, or some other young player.Its the Angels. They certainly have 5 or 6 Five Tool OFers rotting in their minor league system.

The batting lineup becomes something like

Figgins
Kendrick
Arawd
Vlad
Cabrera
Kotchman
Napoli
Anderson
Matthews

They win the AL WEST by 12 games next season. They then get swept by the AL East champ RedSox in 4 games in the ALCS. Arawd goes 1-19 in the series.

oldskool138

10-09-2007, 03:46 PM

I don't like him and I don't want him. Bring back Mike from Lowell.

More like Mike from Cuba...Strange...

As bad as A-Rod was this post-season, I still salivate over a line up that features Ortiz-Manny-ARod. That's the baseball equivalent of getting Randy Moss and Donte Stallworth to catch Tom Brady.

Then again who knows...The off-season is quite a ways away. Right now it's ALCS time!!! (If only there was a way to make Dane Cook shut his mouth...)

Mikiemo83

10-09-2007, 03:49 PM

I'm with you Oldskool, too much time off between series. Fly the Indians in tonight and play thursday so I can get back to sports, if not it is dancing with the stars

babalu87

10-09-2007, 04:00 PM

Arawd will end up playing for the Angels.

Vlads knees and back are failing
.

Another choker, the "Great" Vlad

60 at bats in the post season and something like ONE extra base hit?

If Mark Cuban buys the Cubbies that is where A-Fraud goes, at least then maybe talk of the Goat will go away :whip:

Mikiemo83

10-09-2007, 04:03 PM

Cuban should hire Torre if that happens, Pinheadella is a gives functional drunks a bad name

#1Patsfan_chica

10-09-2007, 04:12 PM

I don't like him and I don't want him. Bring back Mike from Lowell.

That's exactly how I feel.

Baron Samedi

10-09-2007, 05:12 PM

Hey, A-Rod! I've got something for ya!

Bases Loaded

10-09-2007, 06:11 PM

No, I don't want him. I think we move Manny and/or Crisp in the offseason (Since Manny only has one year left (I think?) on his contract he is finally movable), if we move them both we can go for Rowand or Torii Hunter instead ... I wanna see Lowell back god dammit. He Is obviously comfortable here and that seems to be his key, not to mention that he is a God to our younger players - he will have success here despite his age and if all else fails that guy we got from the WMP trade, Cris Carter, we can throw him on first and move Youk back to third (unless Carter's fielding improves). Ah who knows what will happen, but I don't want another, bigger Manny type of contract on our hands and no matter what people say HE IS NOT CLUTCH and that is huge. I think he will be a disruption in our locker room too.

Bases Loaded

10-09-2007, 06:14 PM

But, if we DO get him, you won't hear me complaining too much :thumb:

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 02:11 AM

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 01:13 PM

Mike Lowell is ONE year older than A-rod. ONE. I would much rather see the Sox re sign Mike for one third to one quarter the amount of an A-rod. Then the money they save can be put toward adding another pitcher and improving the bench strength! Just my two cents.

Yeah, but which player is going to Cooperstown (I don't mean on vacation)? A 3-4 four year deal for a great clubhouse guy and a silent professional leader but will also get old on somebody's dime. Or a sure-fire HoF'er and perennial MVP candidate. I'll take the HoF'er...

I like Mike but you can't ignore ARod's numbers. They're too good to ignore.

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 01:37 PM

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 01:46 PM

Loading a team with sure fire Hall of Famers is no guarantee of success. If it was the Yankees would still be winning. But they are watching. You can have the Hall of Famer for $30 million a year. I'll take Lowell, a better bench and another pitcher and have a much better team. And I'm willing to bet Theo feels the same.

But why'd they get rid of Damon? It was because of the years and the cash. They knew ol' Johnny was going to get old on somebody's dime, that's why they let him go.

Mike's going to ask for 4 years and $9-10 million. That's a lot for a 33 year old doubles hitter.

I like Youk but he's not your prototypical power hitting first baseman. JD Drew doesn't put up any power number (hell, he doesn't put up any numbers whatsoever). The Sox would like to get another power bat in the lineup (see the Wily Mo Pena experiment). Why not get a sure fire 40-50 HR a year guy?

groganfan

10-10-2007, 02:11 PM

Love Lowell, but we also have Manny and Ortiz. I can see A-rod on the team. My thing is how much money he's going to get paid. Everywhere Alex goes, he effects teams monitarily. If we can afford him, I said go for it, but if it effects us in other ways as far as pitching goes, I say no player is worth it. I would also have him play short stop which is his natural position, and with Andruw Jones possibly going on the market, I think we could get him too, and then trade Lugo, and Coco for some pitching. Especially if we don't re-sign Schilling.

Mark_Henderson

10-10-2007, 03:00 PM

Mike Lowell is ONE year older than A-rod. ONE.

Good point. A-Rod has a history of being healthy, but still, as crazy high as 30 million per year is, I think the more insane part of the deal I've heard floated is that it's for 10 YEARS. Some great players have had their numbers tank in their mid 30's (remember Jim Rice in 1988?), or have career ending or career altering injuries. Tying up that kind of money for 10 years doesn't make sense.

Papi, A-Rod & Manny would be amazing to watch at 3-4-5, but I think the smarter choice is obviously to pay Lowell for 3 years. Use the extra money to buy Johann Santana.

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 03:24 PM

But why'd they get rid of Damon? It was because of the years and the cash. They knew ol' Johnny was going to get old on somebody's dime, that's why they let him go.

Mike's going to ask for 4 years and $9-10 million. That's a lot for a 33 year old doubles hitter.

I like Youk but he's not your prototypical power hitting first baseman. JD Drew doesn't put up any power number (hell, he doesn't put up any numbers whatsoever). The Sox would like to get another power bat in the lineup (see the Wily Mo Pena experiment). Why not get a sure fire 40-50 HR a year guy?What do you think Arod will ask for? 5-6 years $25-$30 ($125-$180) million a year? He's 32. Sox have been trying for 3 years to get out of the Manny contract. Why would they want to sign Arod to something similiar? It doesn't make any sense. Arod has yet to make a difference in the playoffs for any team he has been on. Do the Sox gamble 25-30 million a year that he will make a difference for them? Arod is not 3 times the player that Lowell is. He is without question better. But is he a difference maker for a playoff team? I don't think so.

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 03:25 PM

Good point. A-Rod has a history of being healthy, but still, as crazy high as 30 million per year is, I think the more insane part of the deal I've heard floated is that it's for 10 YEARS. Some great players have had their numbers tank in their mid 30's (remember Jim Rice in 1988?), or have career ending or career altering injuries. Tying up that kind of money for 10 years doesn't make sense.

Papi, A-Rod & Manny would be amazing to watch at 3-4-5, but I think the smarter choice is obviously to pay Lowell for 3 years. Use the extra money to buy Johann Santana.
If they could pull that one off they could potentially dominate the AL.

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 03:33 PM

Arod is not 3 times the player that Lowell is. He is without question better. But is he a difference maker for a playoff team? I don't think so.

You're right, ARod is not 3 times the player Lowell is. He's much better.

Career HR's

Mike: 184
Alex: 518

Career RBI

Mike: 778
Alex: 1503

Career OBP

M: .344
A: .389

Career Slugging

M: .468
A: .578

And the list goes on. ARod outshines Lowell in almost every offensive cattegory. They are close in only one thing. Doubles. Mike: 325, Alex: 395. Now that you've seen some numbers, who wouldn't want that kind of production in their line-up?

Mikiemo83

10-10-2007, 03:45 PM

What do you think Arod will ask for? 5-6 years $25-$30 ($125-$180) million a year? He's 32. Sox have been trying for 3 years to get out of the Manny contract. Why would they want to sign Arod to something similiar? It doesn't make any sense.
great point and with the money saved by taking Lowell, you can go get yourself some bench help, a RP or two and a starter like Curt Shilling for 2 years $18 million :wave:

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 04:43 PM

You're right, ARod is not 3 times the player Lowell is. He's much better.

Career HR's

Mike: 184
Alex: 518

Career RBI

Mike: 778
Alex: 1503

Career OBP

M: .344
A: .389

Career Slugging

M: .468
A: .578

And the list goes on. ARod outshines Lowell in almost every offensive cattegory. They are close in only one thing. Doubles. Mike: 325, Alex: 395. Now that you've seen some numbers, who wouldn't want that kind of production in their line-up?
AROD average season .306 44 homers 128 RBIs

LOWELL average season .280 23 homers 97 RBIs

My point is not that Arod isn't a better hitter. Of course he is. It is a money issue. If the Sox would have to pay 30 million a year for Arod IMO it's not worth it. He is NOT 3 times better than Lowell. And Lowell is a better fielder. I think the Sox would opt for a 3 yr 27 million contract vs a 6 yr 180 million. Theo likes financial flexibility. And if the Sox could add another starting pitcher with the money they could save NOT signing Arod I think they would do it. And no I would not want to pay Arod that amount of money. I'll take Johan Santana any day of the week over Arod!

Baron Samedi

10-10-2007, 04:48 PM

You're right, ARod is not 3 times the player Lowell is. He's much better.

Career HR's

Mike: 184
Alex: 518

Career RBI

Mike: 778
Alex: 1503

Career OBP

M: .344
A: .389

Career Slugging

M: .468
A: .578

And the list goes on. ARod outshines Lowell in almost every offensive cattegory. They are close in only one thing. Doubles. Mike: 325, Alex: 395. Now that you've seen some numbers, who wouldn't want that kind of production in their line-up?

We don't need A-Rod to make it into the playoffs...we can do that without blowing the $30 million a year.

And A-Rod's playoff naumbers are abysmal.....so we don't need him to get there, and he kills your team when you're there, so I don't understand why we wouldn't take that $30 million and upgrade other areas of the team? (Unless of course, you're talking about JD DRew type upgrading....in which case, I'll take A-Rod)

I'd prefer a Manny and a Lowell over an A-Rod...but I'll take an A-Rod over 2 JD Drews.

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 05:01 PM

I'll take Johan Santana any day of the week over Arod!

What makes you think that the Sox are going to get Santana? The Yankees are a pissed off organization now. They need to revamp they're rotation and sign a bunch of high profile free agents. Plus, I would assume that they were more than a little pissed about losing the Dice-K sweepstakes.

I think the Yanks will break the bank for Santana. The Sox will have a decent shot but in the end I think he's going to NY.

I'd like to get Johan here but I think that ARod has more of a chance of landing here than anywhere else (except for maybe Anaheim).

Mikiemo83

10-10-2007, 05:19 PM

A-Rod needs to go to a non-playoff team so he will not suck in the post season

Baron Samedi

10-10-2007, 05:35 PM

A-Rod's postseason stas.....just for discussion.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 06:46 PM

What makes you think that the Sox are going to get Santana? The Yankees are a pissed off organization now. They need to revamp they're rotation and sign a bunch of high profile free agents. Plus, I would assume that they were more than a little pissed about losing the Dice-K sweepstakes.

I think the Yanks will break the bank for Santana. The Sox will have a decent shot but in the end I think he's going to NY.

I'd like to get Johan here but I think that ARod has more of a chance of landing here than anywhere else (except for maybe Anaheim).
First, Santana is under contract through 2008 so that would have to be trade at this point. Santana is a 2009 free agent. I don't think the Sox will be players in the Arod sweepstakes unless everything that Theo has been preaching is all bs. We shall find out this off season but for now there is still some playoffs to get through.

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 07:02 PM

SamBam39

10-10-2007, 07:45 PM

All I've got to say was that ARod was almost in Boston in 2004. The player's union nixed the deal.

Obviously, Theo still likes this guy. I don't see that changing. Hell, the guy practically had a countdown clock in his office ticking down the minutes until he was free to bet against himself for Edgar Rent-A-Center and insulting Orlando by not even offering him a contract.

Theo :icon_syda's ARod
Yes, he loved him at 29 years old for less than the 25 mill a year he was making. When they couldn't reduce the deal the Sox nixed it. Do you really think 4 years later he would pay even more (25-30 mil) a year? It's not logical.

oldskool138

10-10-2007, 07:55 PM

Yes, he loved him at 29 years old for less than the 25 mill a year he was making. When they couldn't reduce the deal the Sox nixed it. Do you really think 4 years later he would pay even more (25-30 mil) a year? It's not logical.

Two letters and one word: J. D. Drew.

To quote Bob Ryan, *sigh*

Mikiemo83

10-10-2007, 08:12 PM

I think if there was no JD Drew then he would, I think the failure of J.D. Drew to produce this year will make the Sox more of a price raiser than a final bidder in the arod sweepstakes. If the Yankees demise teaches us anything Pitching Wins, not over-priced clubhouse arses

NEM

10-10-2007, 11:41 PM

He is HORRID in the post-season and its not a small body of work either.
His home run last night was his first RBI in 58 plate appearances and he has left 31 runners on base in those 58 plate appearances.

He will fetch a kings ransom but I dont even pick up the gun on an A-Rod deal let alone squeeze the trigger.

I wouldn't give him the time of day.

There are very few teams, if any in MLB, that can afford him or will meet his demands.

I think he is going to find the market, for his services, very small, if any at all.

I would love to see all of the other teams bind together and tell him to stick it but, of course, the players union would sue them.

Eventually, one way or another, the owners are going to have to stop this madness and say "NO" to one of the big free agents and let the rest of the teams follow suit.

In the end, it is the fans who get stuck for all of it.

Here, in Phoenix, tickets for the NLCS are going for anywhere from $60 to over $200 per seat. Even more. And of course, the scalpers get all they clan handle and triple the price, or more.

This has got to stop. I believe it is time for the federal government to step in.

3 Point Stan

10-11-2007, 08:03 PM

Here, in Phoenix, tickets for the NLCS are going for anywhere from $60 to over $200 per seat. Even more. And of course, the scalpers get all they clan handle and triple the price, or more.

This has got to stop. I believe it is time for the federal government to step in.
I wouln't be too concerned as they haven't even sold out Game 1 yet. Pathetic, huh?

Bases Loaded

10-11-2007, 09:33 PM

AROD average season .306 44 homers 128 RBIs

LOWELL average season .280 23 homers 97 RBIs

The RBI's are what sells me on Lowell. This year he hit 6th for the majority of the year and hit 120 (!) RBI. It doesn't make a difference if a-Rod hits 30 more home runs a year, if you're driving them in you're doing your job.

If we can keep Lowell to a three-year deal then I think he comes back. Who is going to offer him 4?

Bases Loaded

10-11-2007, 09:37 PM

Oh, plus, Lowell isn't fragile either - he has played at least 150 games a year for the last 4 years, and 130 or more per year for the last 8 years to boot. This was brought up earlier so sorry if someone else has brought this up but I think it means a lot.

SamBam39

10-11-2007, 10:14 PM

The RBI's are what sells me on Lowell. This year he hit 6th for the majority of the year and hit 120 (!) RBI. It doesn't make a difference if a-Rod hits 30 more home runs a year, if you're driving them in you're doing your job.

If we can keep Lowell to a three-year deal then I think he comes back. Who is going to offer him 4?
Maybe the Yanks if Arod does walk. :(

Bases Loaded

10-11-2007, 10:18 PM

Oh those bastahds LOVE to take our favorite players off our hands, don't they?

oldskool138

10-11-2007, 10:22 PM

Here, in Phoenix, tickets for the NLCS are going for anywhere from $60 to over $200 per seat. Even more. And of course, the scalpers get all they clan handle and triple the price, or more.

Those prices sound like what it costs to go to a Wednesday night game in May against the Devil Rays at Fenway Park...

:sulk:

oldskool138

10-11-2007, 10:27 PM

The RBI's are what sells me on Lowell. This year he hit 6th for the majority of the year and hit 120 (!) RBI. It doesn't make a difference if a-Rod hits 30 more home runs a year, if you're driving them in you're doing your job.

So if ARod hits 30 more HR's than Lowell, that would give him at least 150 RBI. Now if he's hitting behind Ortiz and Manny you better believe that he's going drive in an additional 10-15 RBI. That's a potential of 165 RBI. That's a hard number to ignore.

I don't know. They could trade Lugo and still sign Lowell...

Who know's? We'll have all winter to debate this stuff. Let's enjoy the ALCS!

SamBam39

10-12-2007, 03:19 AM

Those prices sound like what it costs to go to a Wednesday night game in May against the Devil Rays at Fenway Park...

:sulk:I paid $270 to take my daughters to a Devil Rays game in August.:eeek: :suicide:

Bases Loaded

10-12-2007, 11:53 AM

Who know's? We'll have all winter to debate this stuff. Let's enjoy the ALCS!

:banana:

ghostofdouggriffin

10-12-2007, 02:54 PM

My feeling is that A-Roid will never succeed in the post-season in a market like Boston or New York. He'd be scrutinized just as hard here. He needs tro go somewhere like Anahiem, Chicago, back to Seattle...somewhere where baseball isn't "life or death".

PatsFanLisa

10-13-2007, 12:31 PM

fitting but he will look good hitting in Angels Red, give me Lowell for 3 years at 12 per before Arod at 30 million for 10 years like Boras wants

I heard he was looking for 10-12 years - how old would that make him? I thought he was about 35 now...am I wrong? MIKE LOWELL HAS BEEN PRICELESS THIS YEAR...BRING HIM BACK....