Rumor Mill / MLB News - Merged

[BossHogg30]

Figured a thread where we could post the latest rumors around the league and interesting news would be nice to have and easy to find.

[BossHogg30]

The Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox are one of five teams that are actively pursuing Mark Teixeira.

The Yankees, Braves, Angels, and Giants are believed to be the other four teams. It was reported earlier this week that there is a 50-50 chance that "Big Tex" will be moved prior to the trading deadline.
Source: Boston Globe

[southcarolina]

Mark who?
Never heard of him :)

[BossHogg30]

Curt Schilling is expected to throw around 65 pitches during his rehab start with Triple-A Pawtucket against Toledo on Thursday.

This is expected to be the final minor league rehab appearance for Schilling before he is activated from the disabled list.
Source: Boston Herald

[BossHogg30]

Manager Terry Francona confirmed after Tuesday's game that David Ortiz (shoulder) will return to the starting lineup on Wednesday.

Francona said Ortiz was available to pinch hit Tuesday, but he decided to give him an extra day of rest.
Source: Boston Globe

[southcarolina]

OK admit it UT......BossHogg is actually Newsbot.....

[DPJ]

I heard the Sox were gonna move Wily Mo to Pitt for Torres. Anybody heard that one?

[Mikiemo83]

I heard the Sox were gonna move Wily Mo to Pitt for Torres. Anybody heard that one?there is a thread about it here

[BossHogg30]

Rumor is Reggie Sanders for Wily Mo Pena already happening. Reports are that the Red Sox have traded Wily Mo but for who??? no answer, but their are also reports that Reggie Sanders has been traded but for who??? no answer.

Put two and two together...Mo for Sanders

[BossHogg30]

'Salty' trading chip
Jul 25 - Jarrod Saltalamacchia could be traded before the deadline, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. The rookie catcher was the Braves' top-rated prospect before the season and has elevated his stock with a strong performance in his first stint in the majors.
The 22-year-old switch-hitter has performed admirably in a difficult role -- backing up All-Star catcher Brian McCann, pinch hitting and learning on the fly in 11 starts at first base, a position he hadn't played since high school.

Saltalamacchia rates his play as "pretty good" since arriving from Double-A on May 2. The Braves rate it higher, and so do the teams calling with trade interest.

The Braves are listening to offers for two reasons: McCann, 23, is destined to become a franchise pillar after signing a six-year contract extension in March, and Atlanta needs pitching. If the Braves could get an impact starter or a package of pitchers for Saltalamacchia, they might pull the trigger.

[BossHogg30]

Mr. Popular
Jul 25 - The Red Sox remain in the hunt for first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Boston Globe reports. Boston is among five or six teams with a possibility of landing the 27-year-old switch-hitter.
Teixeira was drafted by the Red Sox in the ninth round in 1998 but chose to attend Georgia Tech. He then was drafted by the Rangers in 2001 with the fifth overall pick. Currently making $9 million per year and arbitration-eligible next season, he can become a free agent after 2008.

Don't expect Teixeira to end up in the Bronx. Without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees have little chance of acquiring Teixeira from the Rangers, The New York Times reports.

Texas wants promising young talent in return for Teixeira, the Dallas Morning News reports.

[BossHogg30]

Halo power?
Jul 25 - The Angels are pursuing White Sox first baseman Paul Konerko, the Los Angeles Times reports. According to several industry sources, the Angels, looking to add a power bat to their sagging offense, have inquired about Konerko, who turned down a five-year, $62 million, free-agent offer from the Angels after 2005 to remain in Chicago.
Konerko has a limited no-trade clause and is signed through 2010, but he has a good relationship with Angels manager Mike Scioscia and would probably waive the clause to come to Anaheim.

Although the White Sox are in a selling mode, they haven't decided whether to trade Konerko or right fielder Jermaine Dye, a potential free agent at the end of this year. The Sox have made it clear they don't plan to tear down the team and don't want to completely strip their lineup.

[BossHogg30]

Garland headed to the Bronx?
Jul 24 - While the Yankees don't have an interest in bringing back Jose Contreras or Javier Vazquez, the New York Post reports the Yanks may have an interest in acquiring Jon Garland and lefty reliever Matt Thornton from the White Sox.
The White Sox had Bill Scherrer and Dave Yokam -- special assistants to GM Ken Williams -- in St. Petersburg, Fla., recently to watch the Yankees play the Devil Rays, and Scherrer was on hand Monday when the Yankees played the Royals in Kansas City. In addition, the White Sox have had scouts following the Yankees' Single-A team in Tampa, Fla.

[BossHogg30]

Cutting their losses
Jul 23 - The Red Sox have had talks with the White Sox about a deal that would send fourth outfielder Wily Mo Pena to Chicago, the Newark Star-Ledger reports. But before they trade Pena, Boston would like to acquire Pena's replacement. Oakland's Bobby Kielty has been mentioned as a possibility.

Looks like this one is wrong... Since it seems we've already traded with the Royals for Reggie Sanders.

[BossHogg30]

Joel Pineiro cleared waivers and accepted an assignment to Triple-A Pawtucket.

That Pineiro cleared waivers is no surprise, but that he's remaining with the organization most certainly is. He still would have received his entire $4 million salary had he left. The plan is for Pineiro to go back to starting at Pawtucket.
Source: Boston Herald

[Baron Samedi]

Reports say that the Red Sox are working on a trade of Wily Mo Pena to the Seibu Lions in exchange for a box of chopsticks and some eggrolls....

[Mikiemo83]

'Salty' trading chip
Jul 25 - Jarrod Saltalamacchia could be traded before the deadline, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. The rookie catcher was the Braves' top-rated prospect before the season and has elevated his stock with a strong performance in his first stint in the majors.
The 22-year-old switch-hitter has performed admirably in a difficult role -- backing up All-Star catcher Brian McCann, pinch hitting and learning on the fly in 11 starts at first base, a position he hadn't played since high school.

Saltalamacchia rates his play as "pretty good" since arriving from Double-A on May 2. The Braves rate it higher, and so do the teams calling with trade interest.

The Braves are listening to offers for two reasons: McCann, 23, is destined to become a franchise pillar after signing a six-year contract extension in March, and Atlanta needs pitching. If the Braves could get an impact starter or a package of pitchers for Saltalamacchia, they might pull the trigger.
this is the guy I want but fear the Knuckle will give him fits but then I realized he has been playing 1st and catching throws from Rent-a-wreck at SS

[BossHogg30]

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the Red Sox sent Allard Baird to scout the Dodgers' Triple A affiliate when they were in Tacoma earlier this week. It is believed the Dodgers and Red Sox are working on a deal that may involve Mike Lowell.

[3 Point Stan]

Edit: for whatever reason, I couldn't post the reply below via "Quick Reply"

[3 Point Stan]

This is a bit of a surprise: the Sox just announced that Joel Pineiro cleared waivers and accepted an optional assignment to Pawtucket. The right-hander, who officially was designated for assignment on Monday, is scheduled to pitch three innings tonight for the PawSox at Toledo. Seeing that using him as a reliever didn’t work out as hoped, the Sox appear ready to stretch out Pineiro and see if he can make a contribution later in the season as a starter.

[Mikiemo83]

This is a bit of a surprise: the Sox just announced that Joel Pineiro cleared waivers and accepted an optional assignment to Pawtucket. The right-hander, who officially was designated for assignment on Monday, is scheduled to pitch three innings tonight for the PawSox at Toledo. Seeing that using him as a reliever didn’t work out as hoped, the Sox appear ready to stretch out Pineiro and see if he can make a contribution later in the season as a starter.
I am going to guess he has an out clause that he can be released after such a date if not back with the Sox - this allows him to stretch out and possibly catch on with a team as either a starter or a RP.

that or he has no where else to go

[BossHogg30]

More on the Dodger and Red Sox trade talks:

Lester and Lowell for Loney and Ethier is what Rotoworld.com forum rumors are saying. Not sure how real this is. Hopefully more will come out of this soon.

[Mikiemo83]

More on the Dodger and Red Sox trade talks:

Lester and Lowell for Loney and Ethier is what Rotoworld.com forum rumors are saying. Not sure how real this is. Hopefully more will come out of this soon.wow, that is a lot to give up - Lowell is out of the line-up tonight but is our leading RBI guy

[BossHogg30]

wow, that is a lot to give up - Lowell is out of the line-up tonight but is our leading RBI guy

I doubt that trade happens. I am pretty sure the Dodgers are really high on Loney and Either. Loney is probably untouchable.

[3 Point Stan]

I am going to guess he has an out clause that he can be released after such a date if not back with the Sox - this allows him to stretch out and possibly catch on with a team as either a starter or a RP.

that or he has no where else to go
I can't believe he wasn't scooped up. He's a reclamation project waiting to happen. But I like the idea of stretching him out to start. (not for this year, of course)

[southcarolina]

More on the Dodger and Red Sox trade talks:

Lester and Lowell for Loney and Ethier is what Rotoworld.com forum rumors are saying. Not sure how real this is. Hopefully more will come out of this soon.



That might be a good trade if the Sox pulled the trigger on Teixiera. Otherwise your trading your leading RBI guy and moving Kyook back to third mid season, and handing the first base job to a rookie with 100 career at bats.

Now that i look at it, Loney is a guy who has never hit more than 11 HRs in a season at any level. He's more of a OBP guy, who hits a lot of doubles. We already have a first baseman with those skills. Not that i would hate for him to be on the team, but it would seem an odd trade to dump Lowell in the middle of the playoff run for a couple of rookies if nothing else was in the works.

[BossHogg30]

Boston is interested in Devil Rays' Wigginton
July 26
Boston Globe: "The Red Sox are among the teams interested in acquiring Tampa Bay Devil Rays infielder Ty Wigginton, according to a major league source, though a source familiar with the Sox said a trade was not close as of yesterday afternoon... Major league sources also have confirmed the Sox have interest in Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira; White Sox right fielder Jermaine Dye; Oakland outfielder Bobby Kielty, who was recently designated for assignment; and Dodgers third base prospect Andy LaRoche, who has been hot in Triple A Las Vegas, a team the Red Sox' Allard Baird has been scouting."

[southcarolina]

I dont get the interest in Wiggington. Unless Cora is involved in a trade :)

[Mikiemo83]

I dont get the interest in Wiggington. Unless Cora is involved in a trade :)

SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 96 372 45 102 21 0 15 48 1 .274 .325 .452

all while playing multiple positions batting up and down the order - to me the ulitmate replacement for JD Drewpy

[southcarolina]

SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 96 372 45 102 21 0 15 48 1 .274 .325 .452

all while playing multiple positions batting up and down the order - to me the ulitmate replacement for JD Drewpy

So the RedSox are going to trade JD Drew for Ty Wiggington? I just dont see that happening.

[Mikiemo83]

So the RedSox are going to trade JD Drew for Ty Wiggington? I just dont see that happening.
no just expecting him to pull up lame soon..

as a 4th OF he would be perfect and could also fill in on the infield playing 3/4 games a week

Cora has let me down lately, I have seen a couple blunders like last nights missed Hit and Run (assuming he missed the sign). Cora is your back-up 2B/SS right now and will remain with the team as back up SS if the trade were to be made


the best thing is the ones you hear about are the ones that do not happen with the Sox

[southcarolina]

Ok im in on Wiggington. I know a guy who claims to know him. Maybe it'll be cool to finally get the straight poop on that.

[oldskool138]

If Ty Wiggington comes to Boston, I suggest we call him Chief Wiggington

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/oldskool138/wiggum_standingtall.gif

:D

[luso2kx]

Uhm yeah, JD Drew won't be dealt.

Only way we deal him anywhere is if we assume most of his contract. It's bad enough we're paying Rent-a-wreck to play in Atlanta, we don't need to be offering more volunteers elsewhere.

[BossHogg30]

Ty Wiggington is a good player and a team player. I would love him in Boston. I hope they make that deal, plus it shouldn't cost us too too much.

[BossHogg30]

Evem before Curt Schilling's second rehab start tonight, the Red Sox announced that the right-hander would make a third start in the minors on July 31.

This comes as a surprise. Schilling was exceptional in his first outing and figured to throw about 65 pitches tonight, meaning he would have been ready to go 80 pitches next time out. Schilling apparently will rejoin the rotation Aug. 5 against Seattle or the following day versus the Angels. Jon Lester could make two more starts before that happens.
Source: Boston.com

[NEM]

Fill me in on Wiggington. I am not that familiar.

[BossHogg30]

Fill me in on Wiggington. I am not that familiar.


Wigginton has shown slightly below-average power for a major league third baseman in the past. He does not hit many home runs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_run) but he has good doubles power. He cut down on his strikeouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeout) in 2004 and increased his number of walks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_on_balls), but his plate discipline is still no better than average. He hits fastballs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastball) well but struggles a little bit with good breaking balls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_ball). Wigginton has about average speed; he stole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_base) 12 bases in 2003, but has never duplicated that before (even in the minor leagues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_league_baseball)) or since. On the field, he is well below average at third base. He has played second base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_baseman) in the past, but is limited defensively at that position. He also can play at first and the outfield corners and is decent at first but has struggled in very limited playing time in the outfield. He is considered to be an extremely aggressive player.
In 536 major league games, Wigginton has hit .267 (487-1826) with a .327 OBP, .461 SLG, 68 home runs, 112 doubles, 267 RBIs, and 25 stolen bases.

[BossHogg30]

Curt Schilling (shoulder) allowed two hits in five scoreless innings and struck out eight Thursday for Triple-A Pawtucket.

The Red Sox said before the game that Schilling would make a third rehab start on Tuesday. Schilling, however, is pitching like he's ready to rejoin the rotation. He's allowed four hits, walked none and struck out 14 in eight scoreless innings for Pawtucket. He threw 66 pitches tonight, 44 of them strikes.
Source: Boston Herald

[BossHogg30]

Kielty not only target
The Bobby Kielty rumors persist in Boston, where The Herald reports the Red Sox could trade recently DFA-ed right-hander Joel Pineiro to Oakland, after finding a suitor for Wily Mo Pena. A report in The Globe indicates the Red Sox could be pursuing bigger fish. Boston is interested in Tampa Bay's Ty Wigginton, according to The Globe. Other names: Mark Teixeira, Jermaine Dye and Dodgers propect Andy LaRoche. -- Alex McPhillips

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

Wigginton has shown slightly below-average power for a major league third baseman in the past. He does not hit many home runs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_run) but he has good doubles power. He cut down on his strikeouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeout) in 2004 and increased his number of walks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_on_balls), but his plate discipline is still no better than average. He hits fastballs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastball) well but struggles a little bit with good breaking balls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_ball). Wigginton has about average speed; he stole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_base) 12 bases in 2003, but has never duplicated that before (even in the minor leagues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_league_baseball)) or since. On the field, he is well below average at third base. He has played second base (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_baseman) in the past, but is limited defensively at that position. He also can play at first and the outfield corners and is decent at first but has struggled in very limited playing time in the outfield. He is considered to be an extremely aggressive player.
In 536 major league games, Wigginton has hit .267 (487-1826) with a .327 OBP, .461 SLG, 68 home runs, 112 doubles, 267 RBIs, and 25 stolen bases.

This sounds like Wily Mo, but worse. Now I do hope they are just trying to sucker the Yankers into overreaching for this guy.

[Mikiemo83]

This sounds like Wily Mo, but worse. Now I do hope they are just trying to sucker the Yankers into overreaching for this guy.
actually Wily Mo has more upside because of his power and ability to swing so ferocious.

I like Ty for the fact he is used to jumping around and getting time in multiple positions - something many players can not do - while putting up decent numbers

[BossHogg30]

actually Wily Mo has more upside because of his power and ability to swing so ferocious.

I like Ty for the fact he is used to jumping around and getting time in multiple positions - something many players can not do - while putting up decent numbers


I agree. Ty is a team player. I like Wily too though. I hope we keep Wily.. I think he will be a stud in a few years if only he can get some regular playing time.

[Mikiemo83]

The Cleveland Indians have acquired center fielder Kenny Lofton from the Texas Rangers in exchange for minor-league catcher Max Ramirez. - SI

[Mikiemo83]

Teams want too much from Red Sox
Posted: Friday July 27, 2007 10:12AM ET
As Tuesday's trade deadline nears, the Red Sox don't appear too likely to make a major move. Teams are almost exclusively asking for Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz or Jon Lester. And in the case of prized first baseman Mark Teixeira, Texas has asked for two of those three prospects. And sure, the Sox have feelers out on players such as Tampa Bay's Ty Wigginton and Oakland's Bobby Kielty, but even for those relatively small pieces of the puzzle, the price is too high.

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

This year, the best move might just be no move. Trade deadline deals are almost never fair for the team that is trying to make a push that season. Therefore, the deal is only worthwhile if you can get that missing piece to make your team a complete team immediately. This season's team has weaknesses, but no missing piece, imo. Lester, Bucholz, and Ellsbury are simply way too valuable to simply throw them away for some expensive temp player, or some role player who does not really make the team any better than it already is.

[Mikiemo83]

ETOE, I agree with sitting tight only if they want the big three prospects

but even deeper in the system I hate to lose

Masterson has a great game this week

Bard is still learning

Bowdin, Moss. Murphy and Lowry all show promise

I hate parting with any of these home grown and would love to see 2 a year make the roster and keep the team young with financial flexibility to over pay for a free agent of two

[BossHogg30]

I wished we would talk with the Diamondbacks. They have Justin Upton just sitting in their farm system, yet he probably won't ever come up because Arizona is really high on SS Stephen Drew. I would be willing to trade one of our top pitching prospects for Justin Upton.

[SamBam39]

Wigginton is gone.Hoping for more offensive production from their infield, the Houston Astros acquired Ty Wigginton from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays on Saturday for relief pitcher Dan Wheeler.

[SamBam39]

Sox want too much from the Sox so it appears Jermaine Dye will remain a White Sox.A deal to bring Jermaine Dye to Boston is very unlikely because the Red Sox will not part with top prospects Jacoby Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz, according to Saturday's Hartford Courant. (http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-soxnotes0728.artjul28,0,5298399.story) One source said Dye didn't want to be traded to the Red Sox anyways, according to the Chicago Tribune. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070727soxgamer,1,6885051.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)

[Mikiemo83]

anything new?

Gagne or Dotel for the pen

Dye deal appears over but his numbers are JD Drew level so would that be an improvement right now?

[Mikiemo83]

Texeria to atlanta for Salty-sam-bucca and prospects accoding to WEEI

[Mikiemo83]

latest is Dye for Wily Mo and a minor league arm not lester or Buckholtz according to Edes via WEEI

[BossHogg30]

Just to touch on what Mikiemo83 said above.

The Red Sox are still working on getting Jermaine Dye from the White Sox for Wily Mo Pena and a pitching prospect.

The prospect wouldn't by Clay Buchholz or Jon Lester, leaving Michael Bowden and Justin Masterson as the top possibilities, unless the White Sox really like Craig Hansen. A source told the Boston Globe that the chances of a deal happening were "pretty good." Jul. 30 - 12:23 pm et
Source: Boston.com

[3 Point Stan]

I am actually surprised to have not heard Hansen's name mentioned in trade talks until now.

I know Red Sox Nation as a whole is down on him but he's so young and still has potential to be something special in this league. The kid pretty much got out of his St. John's uniform, had a cup of coffee in the minors, and was up in Boston with all the pressure us A-hole Sox fans like to throw on people. If he leaves here I wish him nothing but the best.

[Mikiemo83]

I am actually surprised to have not heard Hansen's name mentioned in trade talks until now.

I know Red Sox Nation as a whole is down on him but he's so young and still has potential to be something special in this league. The kid pretty much got out of his St. John's uniform, had a cup of coffee in the minors, and was up in Boston with all the pressure us A-hole Sox fans like to throw on people. If he leaves here I wish him nothing but the best.
hanson is coming around and starting to get a little confidence, I think watching Delcarmen go up and do well got him going

[BossHogg30]

Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson would join Wily Mo Pena in going to the White Sox in a Jermaine Dye deal, the Boston Globe reports.

Delcarmen has recently established himself as the No. 3 man in the Boston pen, and giving up two homers yesterday probably won't change that. We're guessing the Red Sox would sooner part with the sinkerballer Masterson, even though he has the greater long-term upside of the two.
Source: Boston.com

[BossHogg30]

The Boston Globe's Gordon Edes says the Red Sox will not part with either Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson along with Wily Mo Pena for Jermaine Dye.

Then they're probably not going to get a deal done. Edes says the Red Sox won't give up the young pitcher for a rent-a-player, but it's not just Dye -- it's also the draft picks he'd bring. Masterson was a second-round pick in 2006. The Red Sox would get at least one pick better than that next year if they brought in Dye now and then let him go as a free agent. Jul. 30 - 2:35 pm et
Source: Boston.com

[grogsox]

No way I'd trade any of the pitching prospects mentioned.

[3 Point Stan]

No way I'd trade any of the pitching prospects mentioned.
http://caddyshackthemovie.warnerbros.com/img/meetmike.jpg
"Then YOU don't get no COKE!"

[SamBam39]

Theo still burning up the phone lines. It will be interesting to see if he actually can pull one OR both of these trades off!

If the Red Sox fail to pull off a trade before the passing of the non-waivers trade deadline today, it will not be for a lack of serious effort.

The Sox made substantial offers to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Jermaine Dye and Texas Rangers for relief pitcher Eric Gagne, but as of late last night were unsure if both, one or neither would be landed before the deadline passes today at 4 p.m.

The Sox would feel comfortable moving forward with their present roster configuration, but Dye and Gagne offer priceless insurance for the pennant stretch if any of the current nicks, bruises and aches deteriorate into long-term absences.

Theo Epstein could not be reached for comment, but two other general managers said the Sox have made serious bids to land both Dye and Gagne, although they remained adamant about not parting with top prospects Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz or Justin Masterson. There were conflicting reports about the Sox’ intent on not discussing Manny Delcarmen, Jon Lester and Portland right-hander Michael Bowden.

There is little doubt the Red Sox will move reserve outfielder Wily Mo Pena and Pawtucket starter Devern Hansack, while current fifth starter Kason Gabbard undoubtedly has drawn the interest of several clubs.

One GM said that, from what he’d been told, the Sox had the best offers on the table for both Dye and Gagne. It remained in question, however, if either player wanted to join the Red Sox because of how they would be deployed. Dye, who has to waive his no-trade rights, understandably is concerned about how much playing time is available for him because of the presence of fellow right fielder J.D. Drew , who is in the first year of a five-year, $70 million contract.

The Sox are believed to have offered assurances to the 2005 World Series MVP that he would play at least five days a week in the outfield, first base or designated hitter. A number of factors play into it:

DH David Ortiz recently has been slowed by minor knee and shoulder injuries, which undoubtedly have played into his diminished power numbers. If Ortiz is lost for 15 days or longer to either injury, Dye would be there to hold down a key spot in the batting order.

Drew has been hampered by minor leg injuries this season (quadriceps, hamstring) and has a history of shoulder, wrist and back injuries. He has been able to avoid the disabled list so far but has required several multi-game rests.

Coco Crisp [stats] has been playing some of the best center field defense the team ever has seen at Fenway Park, but his all-out style has led to injuries in the past, and the Sox hold their collective breath every time he makes one of his spectacular diving or leaping catches.

First baseman Kevin Youkilis and third baseman Mike Lowell both faded in the second half last year because of fatigue and minor injuries. Dye hasn’t played first this year, but his ability to do so will allow for breathers for Lowell and Youkilis (who can shift over to third).

Dye, 33, is batting .235 with 19 homers and 52 RBI on the season, but he’s hit .318 with seven homers since the All-Star break.

Gagne, who passed on the opportunity to sign with the Sox during the winter, is believed to be concerned with how he would be used on the Sox. The 2003 National League Cy Young Award winner, who is 2-0 with 16 saves and a 2.16 ERA in 34 appearances with Texas, has contract incentives heavily based on games finished and would be forfeiting an opportunity to achieve those if he is setting up closer Jonathan Papelbon .


Sox look to land Dye and Gagne (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=1014354&format=text)

[Mikiemo83]

Waitin' for the word
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff
Just touched base with one of my sources, and he told me the Red Sox are still waiting to hear back from the White Sox on Jermaine Dye. The ball is in the White Sox court, he said. Of course, it's an hour earlier in Chicago.
Nothing yet on Eric Gagne this a.m., though the reports out of Texas suggested that owner Tom Hicks may be trying to sign him to an extension and they're going to hold onto him

[Mikiemo83]

Boston is offering talented but underachieving outfielder Wily Mo Pena and a reliever for Dye, who is likely to be dealt somewhere before the 4 p.m. ET waiver deadline. The Red Sox appear to be the favorite -- except that they are one of only four teams covered by Dye's no-trade provision.

Dye's agent, Bob Bry, said by phone Monday that Dye would prefer to remain with the White Sox. However, the strong possibility still exists that Dye could wind up changing Sox. - S.I.

[BossHogg30]

Cardinals acquired RHP Joel Pineiro and cash considerations from the Red Sox for a player to be named later.

The Red Sox were surprised when Pineiro accepted a Triple-A assignment after the team booted him from the roster. Obviously, they still felt they had no further use for him. The Cardinals could try him as a starter and bump both Mike Maroth and Brad Thompson to the pen, with Anthony Reyes already expected to move into the rotation this week. Pineiro had allowed two runs over eight innings in Triple-A. Jul. 31 - 11:34 am et

[Mikiemo83]

Pitts SS Wilson may be heading to the Tigers but not sure for whom

[Mikiemo83]

Yankees to get infielder Betemit from L.A. for reliever Proctor
ESPN.com news services

Updated: July 31, 2007, 12:22 PM ET
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The Dodgers and Yankees have agreed in principle on a trade that would send reliever Scott Proctor to the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The Dodgers, who have a 5.61 bullpen ERA since the All-Star break, have been in on a number of trade discussions involving relievers but zeroed in on Proctor over the last 24 hours.

The Yankees view Betemit as another first-base/DH/bench option for this year, and a potential third-base replacement for Alex Rodriguez next year.

Betemit is batting .231 with 10 home runs and 26 RBIs this season off the Dodgers' bench. Proctor is 2-5 with a 3.81 ERA, and his 54 1/3 innings out of the Yankees' bullpen are tied for fourth-most among AL relievers.


could the young kid be ready to move up or is it a sign they are after Gange or Dotel?

[Mikiemo83]

Yankees Discouraged On Gagne
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Yankees aren't liking their chances to get Eric Gagne. That might mean he's going to the Red Sox, Mets, or Brewers, or that he's staying put.

The Mets don't seem likely given some previous reports and the Rangers' demand for Carlos Gomez.

The Red Sox would probably give up David Murphy and the Brewers would surrender Tony Gwynn Jr. If the Rangers would settle for Gwynn, a deal could happen quickly because Gagne cannot veto a trade there. However, he can block a move to Boston and that would present another obstacle.

Speaking of the Red Sox, Rosenthal sees their chances for Jermaine Dye faded. After all, that deal would have a no-trade obstacle too.

[Mikiemo83]

Gabbard/Murphy for Gagne is the Sox Offer - WEEI

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

Yankees to get infielder Betemit from L.A. for reliever Proctor
ESPN.com news services

Updated: July 31, 2007, 12:22 PM ET
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The Dodgers and Yankees have agreed in principle on a trade that would send reliever Scott Proctor to the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The Dodgers, who have a 5.61 bullpen ERA since the All-Star break, have been in on a number of trade discussions involving relievers but zeroed in on Proctor over the last 24 hours.

The Yankees view Betemit as another first-base/DH/bench option for this year, and a potential third-base replacement for Alex Rodriguez next year.

Betemit is batting .231 with 10 home runs and 26 RBIs this season off the Dodgers' bench. Proctor is 2-5 with a 3.81 ERA, and his 54 1/3 innings out of the Yankees' bullpen are tied for fourth-most among AL relievers.


could the young kid be ready to move up or is it a sign they are after Gange or Dotel?

Seems like a pretty ho-hum deal. As long as they keep trotting out Farnsworth every couple days, I'll be happy :D

[ghostofdouggriffin]

Seems like a pretty ho-hum deal. As long as they keep trotting out Farnsworth every couple days, I'll be happy :D

Funny thing is, it's actually a deal that weakens them. From what I've been reading over at the Mensa society (NYYFans.com), the thought is that Joba is going to relpace Proctor in the pen. This is great. I don't care what kind of stuff this kid has, throwing him into high leverage innings in a desperate situation could absolutely destroy his confidence.

..ahhh..hating the yankees is a beautiful thing

[BossHogg30]

The Red Sox and Rangers have agreed to an Eric Gagne deal, pending Gagne waiving his no-trade clause, sources told FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

Jul. 31 - 1:59 pm et

[TITAN126]

Gabbard/Murphy for Gagne is the Sox Offer - WEEI

I don't like that at all...I hope those aren't the terms. :icon_hang

[Mikiemo83]

According to WEEI Dye has been traded to the Sox - no confirmation from MLB yet and Gagne is coming here also

[Baron Samedi]

Goddamn it! Who is gonna take the Hot potato? (Wily Mo)?

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

Damn, if both of these actually do happen, this team is going to be absolutely stacked

[BossHogg30]

Looks like the Sox will accept the Wily Mo and Manny Delcarmen trade for Dye.

[Mikiemo83]

Looks like the Sox will accept the Wily Mo and Manny Delcarmen trade for Dye.
damn too much but at least Gagne can fill the Delcarmen/Timlin role

[grogsox]

Too much tinkering IMHO. How many years will the Sox control Dye for if this goes through? Same for Gagne? I thought we were moving away from the quick fix mentality and building thru the farm. I'm not impressed unless the players we get are here for a couple years at least.

[bideau]

According to CNNSI, Sox/Rangers agree on a trade for Eric Gagne (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/31/gagne.redsox/index.html)

The Boston Red Sox and Texas Rangers have agreed in principle to a trade involving Eric Gagne, and the Red Sox are now negotiating with the former Cy Young winner to get him to accept the trade.

The Rangers are set to receive prospects in the deal. Boston is not on Gagne's approved list of 12 teams to which he can be traded.

After missing much of the past two years with injuries, Gagne has returned to form this season, with 16 saves in 17 chances and a 2.16 ERA.

[Mikiemo83]

part of building through the farm system is using the depth to trade for a quick fix while keeping your top prospects

[grogsox]

I just read on Yahoo that the Sox would have to move Paps to setup for Gagne to OK the deal... so right away some bad blood will be created. Paps wanted the job, volunteered for it, and has done an outstanding job. So to thank him, Theo may move him to setup man? Shades of the Arroyo screw-over if you ask me.

[Mikiemo83]

According to CNNSI, Sox/Rangers agree on a trade for Eric Gagne (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/31/gagne.redsox/index.html)he has a great save era but it raises about 2 1/2 runs in non save situations

[Mikiemo83]

it is Murphy/Gabbard to the Rangers so Lester stays in the rotation

[BossHogg30]

As long as we don't lose Lester, Lowrie, Clay, or Bard..... I think we will be ok.

[BossHogg30]

he has a great save era but it raises about 2 1/2 runs in non save situations

He has a great era for a pitcher pitching in Texas. Should do well in Boston.

[SamBam39]

Sox working on buying out his no trade clause. Thet would give up Gabbard and prospects.

From Foxsports.com's Ken Rosenthal: "The Red Sox are on the verge of winning the Eric Gagne sweepstakes, pending his approval and a review of his medical records, according to major-league sources. Gagne must waive his no-trade clause to Boston for the deal to be completed. The Rangers would receive right-hander Kason Gabbard and an additional player or players in the deal, sources told Foxsports.com It is possible the Red Sox will allow him to share the closer's role with Jonathan Papelbon. The Rangers had discussed trading Gagne to the Mets, Yankees and Brewers. He could have been sent to each of those teams without his permission. Gagne could reject the deal because of his desire to remain a closer with the Rangers rather than share the role with Papelbon or become his setup man. The Red Sox also could attempt to persuade him to waive his no-trade protection by guaranteeing all or part of his remaining $3.65 million in potential bonuses for games finished." ... SI.com also reported the deal was on the verge of being done: "The Boston Red Sox and Texas Rangers have agreed in principle to a trade involving former Cy Young winner Eric Gagne. The Rangers are set to receive prospects in the deal, which is on hold as Boston negotiates with Gagne to waive his no-trade clause." ... According to the Globe's Gordon Edes, the Yankees trade of reliever Scott Proctor on Tuesday "could be a sign that the Yanks may be closing in on Eric Gagne."... One major league scout told Edes the Red Sox had focused their efforts on Eric Gagne of the Rangers and were on the verge of acquiring him, but that could not be corroborated as of late Monday night. More from Edes: "Gagne has veto power over any deal to the Red Sox, and his contract includes incentives based on number of saves, which he would not meet if he is setting up Jonathan Papelbon in Boston.

[grogsox]

So what is Paps new role? Starter or setup?

[oldskool138]

Sox working on buying out his no trade clause. Thet would give up Gabbard and prospects.

This is the same Ken Rosenthall that says the Sox are set at RF, LF and DH, so they don't need to make a move for Dye. Apparently, he hasn't been keeping up with Ortiz's health, Drew's lack of production, and Manny being Manny.

I'm not a big fan of Ken's since he's a hard-core NYY fan. (When he's doing games on Fox he sounds like he's from the Bronx)

[Mikiemo83]

So what is Paps new role? Starter or setup?we will see, I think it remains the same until it is announced by the Sox a different role

[patfan64]

I don't care what kind of stuff this kid has, throwing him into high leverage innings in a desperate situation could absolutely destroy his confidence.



can you say "Craig Hansen?"

I knew you could.....

[Baron Samedi]

I am honestly baffled why we are trying to trade for a closer....why are we giving away high value commodities for something we don't need?
Just because we are loaded with pitching right now doesn't mean that we should just shuffle it off in a yard sale.
If we can't get what we need in the trade market, just hold onto what you have.
I think maybe ownership is just so gunshy over the disaster last year of not making a move and then collapsing, they may be trying to make a headline splash in the papers with whatever they can.

[patfan64]

I am honestly baffled why we are trying to trade for a closer....why are we giving away high value commodities for something we don't need?
Just because we are loaded with pitching right now doesn't mean that we should just shuffle it off in a yard sale.
If we can't get what we need in the trade market, just hold onto what you have.
I think maybe ownership is just so gunshy over the disaster last year of not making a move and then collapsing, they may be trying to make a headline splash in the papers with whatever they can.

Maybe the Sox brass is concerned about the condition of Papelbon's shoulder. Timlin has not been lights out lately, either.

I don't mind the move so much but I would hate to see them move Paps to the setup role just to appease Gagne.

[oldskool138]

I am honestly baffled why we are trying to trade for a closer....why are we giving away high value commodities for something we don't need?
Just because we are loaded with pitching right now doesn't mean that we should just shuffle it off in a yard sale.
If we can't get what we need in the trade market, just hold onto what you have.
I think maybe ownership is just so gunshy over the disaster last year of not making a move and then collapsing, they may be trying to make a headline splash in the papers with whatever they can.

I'm pretty sure they're going to use Gagne as a set-up/part-time closer guy. He's not going to take Paps' spot in the pen. The Sox will probably pay Gagne's incentives (Saves, Games Completed, etc.) so he won't complain about how he's being used.

Sit back and relax. The pen is going to kick serious a$$! :icon_supe

[TITAN126]

Dye possibilities fading:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/07/dye_possibiliti.html

[Baron Samedi]

he has a great save era but it raises about 2 1/2 runs in non save situations
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"I'm pretty sure they're going to use Gagne as a set-up/part-time closer guy. He's not going to take Paps' spot in the pen. The Sox will probably pay Gagne's incentives (Saves, Games Completed, etc.) so he won't complain about how he's being used.

Sit back and relax. The pen is going to kick serious a$$! :icon_supe"
__________________________________________________ __________

These two observations have got me really concerned.....I'd call the deal off if that's all there is....we don't need Gagne. Take paps out of the closer role and you could destroy the chemistry in the bullpen. You can't make him a starter at this point in the season...that is a drastic and stressful change for his shoulder to take.

Put Gagne in the setup roll, add 2.5 to his ERA, and what the hell have we gained?

No thank you, I think this deal stinks unless there is more to it yet to come.

[Mikiemo83]

I look for something to happen in the next 40 minutes to get a OF


I worry not about the Pen, I like too many arms convert the language in the contract for Gagne from saves to Holds and let him pitch the 7th / 8th. he gets his money and we get a happy camper because holds are easier to come by than saves

[Mikiemo83]

merging into the MLB rumor thread

[BossHogg30]

Red Sox...White Sox deal for Dye dead. No deal will happen.

[Mikiemo83]

Red Sox...White Sox deal for Dye dead. No deal will happen.
good go after Hunter
:icon_eyes :icon_jook

[grogsox]

good go after Hunter
:icon_eyes :icon_jook


What are you smoking? You think the Sox could get Tori Hunter?

[Mikiemo83]

What are you smoking? You think the Sox could get Tori Hunter?
smoking?!?!?!?!? I am drinking, smoking is bad, drinking is good


it was just a joke

maybe we can move wily mo, CooCoo Crisp and Delcarmen and get Nathan and Hunter

[Pa_Pats_Fan54]

I'm liking this addition, Just added some insurance to the bullpen imho.

[Baron Samedi]

smoking?!?!?!?!? I am drinking, smoking is bad, drinking is good


Smoking is bad?:blink: :confused:

[SamBam39]

So what is Paps new role? Starter or setup?Set-up man according to the Globe!

Sox have Gagne deal
Eric Gagne has reportedly agreed to come to the Red Sox and be the setup man, according to NESN's Tom Caron. The Sox would send outfield prospects David Murphy and Engel Beltre, along with pitcher Kason Gabbard, to Texas, according to NESN.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/

[BossHogg30]

Just another source to add on to what SamBam39 found already....

ESPN's Buster Olney says the Red Sox have gotten Eric Gagne to waive his no-trade clause and join the team.

The Red Sox apparently will pay Gagne the extra $3.6 million -- on top of the remaining $2 million he's owed in salary -- he would have earned had he met his bonuses for games finished, which he has little chance of doing while setting up in Boston. The Rangers will get Kason Gabbard, David Murphy and Engel Beltre. They'll likely have Joaquin Benoit replace Eric Gagne in the closer's role, with C.J. Wilson a possibility to get the occasional save chance against lefty-heavy lineups. Jul. 31 - 3:44 pm et

[BossHogg30]

Does anyone else feel we got hosed? This is a stupid trade... we gave up way to much for a setup man when we already have a really good one.

Updating a previous report, Buster Olney, of ESPN.com, reports the Texas Rangers will trade CL Eric Gagne in exchange for Boston Red Sox SP Kason Gabbard, OF David Murphy and OF Engel Beltre.

[Baron Samedi]

Does anyone else feel we got hosed? This is a stupid trade... we gave up way to much for a setup man when we already have a really good one.


I agree 100%...we bought a luxury car when we already have a limousine, and we never got what we need...a good catcher, and a good 4th OF'er.

So far, I'd rate this year's trade season for the Sox about a D. I think we gave up a lot of chips in trade value for something that is not a weakness on this team.

BUST!:icon_toil

[Mikiemo83]

Beltre

Age: 17
Born: November 1, 1989
Santo Domingo, DR
Height: 6-1
Weight: 170
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: Not drafted
How Acquired: International free agent (July 2006) Scouting Report: Five-tool left-handed hitter with excellent power potential. Strong arm and good range in centerfield. Highly touted signing out of the Dominican Republic, signed for $575,000. Hustles at every step . Very projectable as a power hitter once he grows into his body.

[Baron Samedi]

The more I think about this...the more I think Papelbon may be hurt...or at least there is some questin about whether he can make it through the season.

Why would you make this deal unless you think there is a better than average chance that you are losing Papelbon?

If you are aware that you are going to lose him, then the deal suddenly makes a lot of sense.

[Mikiemo83]

Murphy

Age: 25
Born: October 18, 1981
Resides: Spring, TX
Height: 6-3
Weight: 195
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: 1st Round, 2003;
50th round, 2000 by LAA
How Acquired: Draft
College: Baylor U.
ETA: mid-2007

Awards
2003 First Team All-American (Baseball America)
2003 D1 First Team All-American (ABCA)
Red Sox Minor League Player of the Month (Jul. 2005) Scouting Report: Murphy is a tall, athletic left-handed batter with a sweet swing. Pulls a lot of pitches, and displays excellent patience at the plate. Loves the game, and displays good leadership skills. Needs to work on adding more power. Accurate, strong arm. Major-league ready defensive outfielder at all three OF spots. Above average speed for a corner outfielder, perhaps about average for a centerfielder.

MLB Comparison: Ryan Langerhans



Gabbard

Age: 25
Born: April 8, 1982
Royal Palm Beach, FL
Height: 6-2
Weight: 200
Bats: Left
Throws: Left
Drafted: 29th Round, 2000
How Acquired: Draft
High School: Royal Palm Beach

MLB Comparison: Pete Schourek Scouting Report: Lefty suffered nagging injuries over his first few years in pro ball. When healthy, Gabbard has a high 80s sinking fastball that hits the low 90s with good location, along with a plus changeup and curveball which he mixes in very well. Mature with good mound presence.

[3 Point Stan]

I can't see how anyone would be down on this trade.

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

TBH,the amount of work Oki has been getting has been a little worrisome. We don't want our diamond-in-the-rough super reliever to get burnt out. This bullpen is now absolutely rock solid. Gabbard was a nice surprise for a couple starts, but I don't think he ever really figured into the team's long term plans. The Sox basically traded away Murphy - I think the deal with Kason was about selling high. Also, if what they say is true about the Yankers trading away Proctor because they thought they were getting Gagne, then that adds another dimension to the trade. All in all, it's not an amazing move, and not the move that most needed to be made, but it is an improvement to the team overall.

[3 Point Stan]

The more I think about this...the more I think Papelbon may be hurt...or at least there is some questin about whether he can make it through the season.

Why would you make this deal unless you think there is a better than average chance that you are losing Papelbon?

If you are aware that you are going to lose him, then the deal suddenly makes a lot of sense.
Does this ring a bell?

"Embree in the 7th, Timlin in the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Why is this such a poor deal? Because you bolstered a BP that has been anchored by one of the premeir stoppers in the game with yet ANOTHER premeir reliever?

David Murphy has never been in the Sox plans and by all accounts, neither is Gabbard.

[southcarolina]

Does this ring a bell?

"Embree in the 7th, Timlin in the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Why is this such a poor deal? Because you bolstered a BP that has been anchored by one of the premeir stoppers in the game with yet ANOTHER premeir reliever?

David Murphy has never been in the Sox plans and by all accounts, neither is Gabbard.

Man i was trying to post this exact sentiment, and couldnt find the right words. I agree with this post 492,773%


Plus if Brendan Donnelly ever gets healthy, we have the market cornered on relievers who wear glasses.

[Baron Samedi]

"Embree in the 7th, Timlin in the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"



I thought it was pedro in the 7th...and Pedro in the 8th.......oh....wait a minute...:icon_hang

I understand, but if Gagne is not the closer, and his ERA goes up to, say, 4.50 or so...is it really a good deal?

[grogsox]

I don't like this deal. Gagne will only be here this season as he is on a 1 year contract and will be a FA. Unless we win it all this year, then we just gave away three young players for a 2 month rental. I liked what I saw of Gabbard, and I still say we need to build the from the farm up to sustain greatness for a long stretch of time.

[SamBam39]

Papelbon hasn't been pitching because Francona is only going to use him in save situations. And the Sox were in a bit of a funk so there were not as many save situations. His velocity has still been good. His location has been a bit off but that is probably rust!

[JD10367]

I see this trade as being akin to what the Celts are doing (although the Celts are going a bit overboard).

It's basically a situation of, "We have these players who MIGHT become stars or might simply become decent players or might not do anything at all, versus picking up someone who's getting a little rough around the edges but we KNOW can get the job done at a high level."

Since the Sox didn't have to give up any of the 'big names' (i.e. Ellsbury, Buckholtz, Lester, Hansen) I really don't think this is a bad deal for the Sox.

(Although it would be nice to see a young catcher come in here soon to groom for when 'Tek hangs up the mask...)

[southcarolina]

I don't like this deal. Gagne will only be here this season as he is on a 1 year contract and will be a FA. Unless we win it all this year, then we just gave away three young players for a 2 month rental. I liked what I saw of Gabbard, and I still say we need to build the from the farm up to sustain greatness for a long stretch of time.


Pitching wins championships. You cant have too much. Gagne when healthy is an elite talent. Gabbard and Murphy were not going to help the Sox win any playoff games this season, as neither would have probably even been on the playoff roster.

And remember, just because he is a Free Agent doesnt mean he wont resign with Boston. maybe this season he is the setup man, and next season he is the closer and Papelbon goes back to the rotation. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Lester, and Buchholtz handing the ball to a bullpen of Delcarmen, Okajima, and Gagne sounds pretty F'ing good doesnt it?

[Mikiemo83]

Pitching wins championships. ............


Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Lester, and Buchholtz handing the ball to a bullpen of Delcarmen, Okajima, and Gagne sounds pretty F'ing good doesnt it?yes on both

[3 Point Stan]

I saw Kason Gabbard pitch well this year.... in a vaccum.

I've seen Eric Gagne have the best run any closer's ever had, ever. And coming back from injury, he's been everything the Rangers could have hoped for.

I didn't come into this season biting my nails hoping that the Sox wouldn't have to trade Gabbard- that was reserved for Cla Buchholz. But Gabbard's trade value, RIGHT NOW, because of how he's pitched, will never be higher. Gabbard was and still is a mid-level prospect. So was David Murphy (and that might be a compliment at this point) and together, two mid-level prospects just got the Sox Eric Gagne. On the surface it's only for 2 months but realistically, the intent and hope is that it will be for 3 months.

This deal is teh awesome.

[Mikiemo83]

both Gabbard and murphy are 25 year old minor leaguers with promise but not crazy potential

[3 Point Stan]

both Gabbard and murphy are 25 year old minor leaguers with promise but not crazy potential
25!!! Kevin Costner's character in Bull Durham was only 23. I swear. Don't look it up because it's true.

[southcarolina]

both Gabbard and murphy are 25 year old minor leaguers with promise but not crazy potential

And neither was going to be on the playoff roster(Gabbard maybe would have, if there was an injury, or if Schilling doesnt come back healthy), and the Sox will make the playoffs without them. You cant just always not trade your minor leaguers/prospects. Giving up two marginal talents for an elite relief pitcher is almost a no brainer.

[Mark_Henderson]

Giving up two marginal talents for an elite relief pitcher is almost a no brainer.


I totally agree. Especially with Donnelly going down, now we have an upgrade over him. Jermaine Dye would have been nice to have too for a serious World Series run, but giving up Manny Delcarmen would have been a more questionable call than this trade is. Hopefully, Nancy Drew finishes strong.

[BossHogg30]

Brendan Donnelly will undergo Tommy John surgery, ending his season.

The Red Sox weren't counting on getting Donnelly back. Considering they're paying him just $1.4 million and only gave up Phil Seibel, who has since been released by the Angels, to bring him in, they have no complaints over his 20 2/3 innings of a 3.05 ERA. They'll probably non-tender him and offer him a minor league contract in the offseason.
Source: Boston.com

[southcarolina]

I totally agree. Especially with Donnelly going down, now we have an upgrade over him. Jermaine Dye would have been nice to have too for a serious World Series run, but giving up Manny Delcarmen would have been a more questionable call than this trade is. Hopefully, Nancy Drew finishes strong.


Is Donnely going to be out the rest of the season? We need the BP to all wear glasses.

http://cache.reelzchannel.com/assets/content/blog/vaughn.jpg

[BossHogg30]

It use to be all the Sox had to do is get to the 8th inning with a lead and the Sox relief would seal the deal. Okajima comes in the 8th and Papelbon comes in the 9th and walla the Sox have a win.

Now with Gagne things may change..... Now the Sox only have to hold the lead for 7 innings because Okajima can come in the 7th, Gagne comes in the 8th, and Papelbon comes in the 9th. Plus if Papelbon is hurt we still have a proven closer and a nice setup man.


(this is the only thing that makes me feel better about trading away so much talent for a 31 year old pitcher who has been plagued with injuries the past two seasons.)

[southcarolina]

It use to be all the Sox had to do is get to the 8th inning with a lead and the Sox relief would seal the deal. Okajima comes in the 8th and Papelbon comes in the 9th and walla the Sox have a win.

Now with Gagne things may change..... Now the Sox only have to hold the lead for 7 innings because Okajima can come in the 7th, Gagne comes in the 8th, and Papelbon comes in the 9th. Plus if Papelbon is hurt we still have a proven closer and a nice setup man.


(this is the only thing that makes me feel better about trading away so much talent for a 31 year old pitcher who has been plagued with injuries the past two seasons.)


There are only three things that would make me hate this trade:

1) Eric Gagne comes to Boston, and gives up 14 runs in the bottom of the ninth of Game 7 of the ALCS to the Yankees, and the Sox lose the game 14-13. He then spurns the RedSox offseason offer, signs with the Yankees and converts 140 saves in a row for them over the next 4 years.

2) Eric Gagne comes to Boston and blows out his shoulder, elbow, ankle, and pelvis on his very first pitch, pisses on the mound and flips off the crowd while being stretchered off the field.

3) Eric Gagne comes to Boston, falls in love with the city and team, and pitches lights out. As long as Doug Mirabelli is catching.

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

Brendan Donnelly will undergo Tommy John surgery, ending his season.

The Red Sox weren't counting on getting Donnelly back. Considering they're paying him just $1.4 million and only gave up Phil Seibel, who has since been released by the Angels, to bring him in, they have no complaints over his 20 2/3 innings of a 3.05 ERA. They'll probably non-tender him and offer him a minor league contract in the offseason.
Source: Boston.com

Well, that certainly adds some perspective. It makes an OK deal look a little better (and more necessary)

[JD10367]

I've been trapped in work all day. Are these two the only deals we did (dumping Piniero and getting Gagne)?

More importantly... what did the Yankmes do, or not do? Hopefully they didn't do what they usually do, and go out and acquire a huge bat?

[southcarolina]

I've been trapped in work all day. Are these two the only deals we did (dumping Piniero and getting Gagne)?

Yes.



More importantly... what did the Yankmes do, or not do? Hopefully they didn't do what they usually do, and go out and acquire a huge bat?

They traded Scott Proctor to the Dodgers for Wilson Betemit.

[SlumpBustR]

There are only three things that would make me hate this trade:

1) Eric Gagne comes to Boston, and gives up 14 runs in the bottom of the ninth of Game 7 of the ALCS to the Yankees, and the Sox lose the game 14-13. He then spurns the RedSox offseason offer, signs with the Yankees and converts 140 saves in a row for them over the next 4 years.

2) Eric Gagne comes to Boston and blows out his shoulder, elbow, ankle, and pelvis on his very first pitch, pisses on the mound and flips off the crowd while being stretchered off the field.

3) Eric Gagne comes to Boston, falls in love with the city and team, and pitches lights out. As long as Doug Mirabelli is catching.http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/rofl2.gif
NICE!!!!! :) :) REP ON THE WAY :icon_pidu

[southcarolina]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/rofl2.gif
NICE!!!!! :) REP ON THE WAY :icon_pidu


Thanks


I posted this over at The Mutha Planet. I was mostly joking, but the more i think about it, the more i like the idea....


Trading for Gagne give the Sox a leg up on signing him this off season.

Signing Gagne this offseason means Papelbon can go back to the rotation

Papelbon back in the rotation makes Wakefield expendable.

No Wakefield means no Mirabellli.

No Mirabelli is just a good thing.


NOW if you dont love this trade, youre a closet Yankees fan.

[BossHogg30]

GM Theo Epstein never budged when Texas asked for Clay Buchholz or Jacoby Ellsbury, and the Red Sox still ended up with the best reliever out there. Kason Gabbard and David Murphy didn't have much of a future with Boston, and 17-year-old outfielder Engel Beltre is at least four years away. Isn't it funny to think back to spring training, when Boston was worried about its bullpen and Joel Pineiro was slated to close? How's this for the seventh, eighth and ninth: Manny Delcarmen, Hideki Okajima, Gagne and Jonathan Papelbon.

[BossHogg30]

Athletics released outfielder Bobby Kielty.

The Red Sox didn't move Wily Mo Pena, but they might still have some interest in Kielty, assuming that he'd be willing to head to Triple-A for a little while. The Phillies could use him right away, though they may not realize it.

[southcarolina]

GM Theo Epstein never budged when Texas asked for Clay Buchholz or Jacoby Ellsbury, and the Red Sox still ended up with the best reliever out there. Kason Gabbard and David Murphy didn't have much of a future with Boston, and 17-year-old outfielder Engel Beltre is at least four years away. Isn't it funny to think back to spring training, when Boston was worried about its bullpen and Joel Pineiro was slated to close? How's this for the seventh, eighth and ninth: Manny Delcarmen, Hideki Okajima, Gagne and Jonathan Papelbon.


The RedSox were something like 46-2 when leading after the 7th inning.

BEFORE they got Gagne.

[Bases Loaded]

The more I think about the Yankees trade the more I laugh ... they traded Torre's right hand man out of the pen in Proctor, who pitched the second most games in Yankees history last season (and was on pace to repeat that this season). They didn't gain an arm in the pen, and traded one of their best away. Their starters aren't getting any better - or younger - and their bullpen is shorter now?! And what did they gain, another platoon guy for 1B? This is sweeeet!

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

The more I think about the Yankees trade the more I laugh ... they traded Torre's right hand man out of the pen in Proctor, who pitched the second most games in Yankees history last season (and was on pace to repeat that this season). They didn't gain an arm in the pen, and traded one of their best away. Their starters aren't getting any better - or younger - and their bullpen is shorter now?! And what did they gain, another platoon guy for 1B? This is sweeeet!

Haha, yeah, I've been loving this more and more as the day goes on.

[pookie]

Can Gagne pitch to Brian Roberts tonight???!!!??

[southcarolina]

F*ck!!!!!!



kevin Millar...why cant we get good players like him??????

[southcarolina]

Alright mother F'ers...time to get out the softball bats and win this one 15-13

[southcarolina]

Please.

[southcarolina]

Haha i thought i was in the game thread.

:D

[BossHogg30]

With Kason Gabbard gone, Julian Tavarez will start for the Red Sox against the Orioles on Wednesday.

Tavarez or Curt Schilling? Curt Schilling or Tavarez? We just don't get this one. Perhaps it won't matter with Baltimore starting Steve Trachsel, but as mediocre as Boston's offense is right now, perhaps it will.

[3 Point Stan]

With Kason Gabbard gone, Julian Tavarez will start for the Red Sox against the Orioles on Wednesday.

Tavarez or Curt Schilling? Curt Schilling or Tavarez? We just don't get this one. Perhaps it won't matter with Baltimore starting Steve Trachsel, but as mediocre as Boston's offense is right now, perhaps it will.
They just faced Kazmir and Bedard back-to-back.

[grogsox]

Why I still don't like this trade (posted on mutha board first also)

Now if the Sox could have traded Lugo and Drew, then I may be singing a different tune. All they did was make a strength stronger without really addressing a weakness. Duh? Using your card anology, that's like doubling down on a pair of 4's in Black Jack with the dealer showing an Ace. Sure it gives you two chances to win, but you'd have been better off playing that one hand and saving your chips for the next hand.

This deal reeks of the Sox wanting to make some noise on the trade deadline because when they didn't last year and things fell apart. The deal did NOT address a need. I think Gagne is gone after this season unless the Sox throw crazy money at him. He didn't want to come here to begin with.

And screwing around with Paps between making him a starter or closer is just poor management. He seems to relish the role of closer, he is good at it, why then all the talk about putting him in the rotation? I know, some people think that will save his arm. Well, I think if he eases back and pitches a different style as a starter, he's not nearly as dominate.

Anyway, the move seems to have made Red Sox nation happy, but I don't see the logic behind it.

[3 Point Stan]

grogsox, can you suggest whom the Red Sox could have acquired for either Lugo or Drew?

[grogsox]

The Angels need starting pitching. I'd have gone after our old friend Orlando Cabrera real hard, offering Lugo and a pitcher. Gabbard would have been fine, but I would have considered others too. That would have been a trade that helped both teams.

Drew you probably couldn't trade for a bag of peanuts. But maybe if the Sox had made a better offer to the White Sox for Dye, that would have helped.

Both Dye and Cabrera address needs. Gagne is a 2 month luxury.

[3 Point Stan]

The Angels need starting pitching. I'd have gone after our old friend Orlando Cabrera real hard, offering Lugo and a pitcher. Gabbard would have been fine, but I would have considered others too. That would have been a trade that helped both teams.

Drew you probably couldn't trade for a bag of peanuts. But maybe if the Sox had made a better offer to the White Sox for Dye, that would have helped.

Both Dye and Cabrera address needs. Gagne is a 2 month luxury.

Orlando Cabrera - having perhaps his best season, makes less money than Lugo, was not on the trading block

Drew - Is in 1st year of $75 million contract. Is an albatross who's not going anywhere. Virtually untradable unless you give him away for free and no team will eat $75 million.

Dye - would probably have forced Drew to the bench and the Sox wanted to get him but the Sox would still have retained Drew for a RF platoon scenerio. But Jermaine Dye, like Eric Gagne, is a free agent-to-be.

[Mikiemo83]

can we put Drew up for the Manny type of Waivers of a few seasons ago? would you?

[Baron Samedi]

After listening to EEi last night on the way home, I did not realize that, at the end of the season, if Gagne walks, we get some sort of first round compensation pick. I don't understand that stuff at all, but that makes me feel a little better. Also, I heard the yanks were going after Gagne hard, so i guess that helps a little, too.

I upgrade the Sox' trade season to a C-......still did not address their needs, but at least made a strategic move to block the Yanks...and should get a #1 pick when Gagne walks, so you get at least 1 prospect back.

[southcarolina]

After listening to EEi last night on the way home, I did not realize that, at the end of the season, if Gagne walks, we get some sort of first round compensation pick. I don't understand that stuff at all, but that makes me feel a little better. Also, I heard the yanks were going after Gagne hard, so i guess that helps a little, too.

I upgrade the Sox' trade season to a C-......still did not address their needs, but at least made a strategic move to block the Yanks...and should get a #1 pick when Gagne walks, so you get at least 1 prospect back.


I read somewhere that that was the main sticking point in the Dye deal, that Chicago wanted compensation for the pick that they would be losing (and we would be gaining) if they traded him instead of keeping him and letting him walk. And they figured that compensation should be Buchholz or Ellsbury.

[southcarolina]

Reggie Sanders back to DL. Doesnt sound like he will be playing anytime soon. Guess its a good thing the Sox didnt make this trade.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=1690&line=218815&spln=1

[3 Point Stan]

Reggie Sanders back to DL. Doesnt sound like he will be playing anytime soon. Guess its a good thing the Sox didnt make this trade.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=1690&line=218815&spln=1
Yet even if they had, he would still somehow be an upgrade over Wily Mo and Hinske. It's crazy.

[SamBam39]

They can still work a waiver wire deal so they may end up picking up a bat! Depends on who has cleared or will clear waivers.

[SamBam39]

At the end of the day if the Sox don't find another bat it will haunt them, IMO!!! This team loves to leave men on base!

[southcarolina]

Mike Meyers DFA'd by the Spankees. Kind of an odd move. He is their DO killer. Dont the Sox play the Spanks like 8 or 10 more times this season?


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/wires/08/06/2010.ap.bba.yankees.brower.0252/

[3 Point Stan]

lol

lmfao

editing sucks!

rotflmfao

[3 Point Stan]

Sox land Kielty
By Rob Bradford
Monday, August 6, 2007 - Updated: 06:27 PM EST

ANAHEIM, Calif. — In search of some backup outfield help, the Red Sox (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox.bg) [team stats (http://64.246.64.33/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/teamstats.aspx?team=028)] picked up another piece to the puzzle today, agreeing on a minor league deal with former Oakland A’s outfielder Bobby Kielty.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Kielty will join the Triple-A Pawtucket Red Sox in Scranton, Penn., tomorrow. According to Kielty, he has an out in his contract if he’s not called up to the parent club “in about a week.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Kielty, who just turned 31, became a free agent after being released by the A’s on July 31. He was deciding between the Red Sox, Yankees (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Yankees&mode=all&sorting=pubdate), Diamondbacks, Cubs and Astros.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “It turned out Boston was the best fit,” said Kielty. “I thought it would be all along. It was just a matter of hearing what everybody’s options were.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Kielty has relatives from Massachusetts, including his father Roger, who is from Fitchburg.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> “I was getting a lot of pressure from my relatives,” Kielty joked.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=8><SPACER width="8" height="8" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Kielty spent most of the season on the disabled list and was hitting only .200 in 35 at-bats when the A’s released him. A strained left calf landed him on the 60-day DL at the end of April. He had appeared in just four games — with 11 at-bats — since coming off the DL before the A’s designated him for assignment.

[southcarolina]

Hey *I'm* from Fitchburg :)

[BossHogg30]

The Boston Globe reports that Wily Mo Pena cleared waivers, making the Red Sox free to trade him to any team.
It's somewhat surprising that no team felt like taking the chance on being handed Pena and the half-million bucks he's owed for the remainder of the season, but his stock has apparently plummeted over the past year. With Bobby Kielty now in the fold, the Red Sox are definitely looking to move Pena.Source: Boston Globe

[EverettsTheoryOfEvolution]

I understand his stock has fallen, but I am surprised no one thinks he's worth a shot. Now that he's cleared waivers, isn't there a time limit within which he must be dealt, or else he'll have to clear waivers again?

[3 Point Stan]

I understand his stock has fallen, but I am surprised no one thinks he's worth a shot. Now that he's cleared waivers, isn't there a time limit within which he must be dealt, or else he'll have to clear waivers again?
They can revoke his waiver status and pull him back since they are past the trade deadline. But where no one has claimed him, they are free to negotiate with any and all clubs. Had a team claimed him, they could have only negotiated with that club. And if they couldn't come to terms on a deal, they could still pull him back.

[Mikiemo83]

once you clear after July 31 it is good for the rest of the season, however any trade after august 31 would not be eligible for the postseason roster.

remember the Sox got Mike Stanton I believe in 2005, a few years ago in late september for the post season push - he pitched in one game

[southcarolina]

If no one wanted him enough to claim him off waivers, why would they now turn around and make a trade for him?

[Mikiemo83]

If no one wanted him enough to claim him off waivers, why would they now turn around and make a trade for him?If they make a claim and the sox pull him back, a player needs to clear waivers from their team, a team could block the trade by putting in a claim on the second player in the deal

so what most teams do is put everyone through waivers at the the beginning of August and make trades in the middle to late as more teams fall out of the race


my take at least

[soxin07080910]

david wells cut by padres...any interest?

[grogsox]

You guys still liking the trade for Gagne? I thought it was a mistake at the time and said so. The Sox strength all season has been the bullpen. Everyone knew their rolls and performed them well. Now you throw in an overpriced closer who isn't the same after surgery and you upset the chemistry.

I still thing Gabbard in the bullpen would have been fine after Schilling returned.

I'm not pannicking cause I've already taken my pills today. But I am having 1978 flashbacks and cold sweats...

[3 Point Stan]

You guys still liking the trade for Gagne?
Yup (http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2277)

[Mikiemo83]

American League games should speed up.....


Steve Trachel cleared Waivers and may be going to the rockies

[Mikiemo83]

Cubs, Zambrano agree to 5-year, $91.5M deal
Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago

The deal finally is done.
Cubs right-hander Carlos Zambrano has agreed to a five-year, $91.5 million contact extension, FOXSports.com has learned.

The deal, which includes a $19.25 million player option for a sixth year, gives Zambrano the highest average salary ever awarded to a pitcher on a multi-year contract.

It also gives him the highest average salary in Cubs history, surpassing left fielder Alfonso Soriano, who signed an eight-year, $136 million, free-agent contract last off-season.

Zambrano, 26, was eligible for free agency at the end of the season, and almost certainly would have surpassed the seven-year, $126 million deal that the Giants awarded left-hander Barry Zito last off-season.

Both the Mets and Yankees were expected to pursue Zambrano on the open market, along with several other high-revenue teams. But from the beginning, Zambrano said he wanted to remain with the Cubs.

The original five-year deal between Zambrano and the Cubs was worth slightly more than $80 million. But the sale of the team delayed the completion of an agreement, and since then Zambrano has emerged as a Cy Young contender, raising his price.

Zambrano, 26, will be eligible for free agency again at 31, giving him the possibility of landing a second monster deal while still relatively close to his prime.

His signing removes by far the most accomplished pitcher from this winter's free-agent market. Red Sox right-hander Curt Schilling, Diamondbacks right-hander Livan Hernandez, Phillies right-hander Kyle Lohse are among the other free agents who will be available.

Zambrano is 14-9 with a 3.86 ERA this season, 78-51 with a 3.37 ERA lifetime.

[Mikiemo83]

un sticking, letting it flow, no action today but should be some friday

[grogsox]

You guys still liking the trade for Gagne? I thought it was a mistake at the time and said so. The Sox strength all season has been the bullpen. Everyone knew their rolls and performed them well. Now you throw in an overpriced closer who isn't the same after surgery and you upset the chemistry.

I still thing Gabbard in the bullpen would have been fine after Schilling returned.

I'm not pannicking cause I've already taken my pills today. But I am having 1978 flashbacks and cold sweats...

Yup (http://www.soxplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2277)


Just saying....

[Mikiemo83]

LOSING GABBARD IS NOTHING, HE HAS A 5.5 ERA, losing murphy with Manny down and even Wily Mo who is at 297. 8 hr 17 rbi's in washington


but looking back it looks bad, he has a week to change that

[3 Point Stan]

Just saying....
The trade has not worked out, I'll never pretend it did. But I still won't criticize trading Gabbard or Murphy for him. I could also reply-all to this thread in a few years when Gabbard is being claimed off waivers and Murphy is in a nursing home or playing for the Nashua Pride.

Not all of the prospects you develope are developed with the intention of actually playing for you. There is a list of guys the Sox want on their Major League club and there's a list of guys the Sox think are commodities that could bring additional pieces which will bolster their MLB club. Murphy and Gabbard were two of those guys on the 2nd list.

But let's also not act as if this team wouldn't be in a similar position if they did not have Eric Gagne. Since this board likes to only look at the short-term, with the exception of last night, I don't recall Gagne being impactful in any of the other losses that have helped trim the AL East lead from 6.5 to 2.5. To me the problem is the RBI's that haven't been being driven in but are instead, rotting on the bench in the form of Manny Ramirez.